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But still I cannot remember if ADOM is the game I am thinking of or not. Ohh I know!

Does ADOM have a tourist class?

Nope. Nethack does, but it's about the only major roguelike that has a tourist class, iirc. Now, there's many other RLs that nod at nethack's tourist, but none of the other major ones do it, I think.

ADOM always felt complete to me...

What exactly am I funding?

Also WHY would I EVER fund a true blue roguelike? They are games based around reading FAQs and Wikis to beat... and while there are exceptions, ADOM isn't one of them.

Or is ADOM the Dungeons and dragons one...

Hmmm

Hey, be fair. Almost all roguelikes, including ADOM, have been beat strictly spoiler free before. No wikis, no faqs. It just takes a ridiculously longer amount of time, usually Though there's some roguelike mad people who pick up new RLs and just demolish them out of habit, but I half suspect some of them are either nascent AIs or dark gods from beyond the edge of space.

Forget how many attempts it took that guy that no-spoiled nethack. Can't remember if it was over two or twenty thousand games, hah. But the dude did it. Took several years, but 'e did it.

There's a couple exceptions to that rule, though. I don't think anyone managed to crack IVAN until they code dived, but IVAN's kinda hostile toward anything resembling sane play.

Anyway, check the other thread to see what it's supposed to fund. General answer seems to be OS-compatibility update and more content, iirc.

The major dnd roguelike is Incursion, not ADOM. Probably a few others, but that's the most complete one I know of. Inc's definitely winnable without spoilers, though, and in a fairly sane time frame. The manual's very clear and most of mechanics are quite transparent. Only took me a couple dozen splats before I won my first Inc game, heh.

Alternatively, buildcraft at least has means to automate building, so...

Bit slower, but more clumsy (initial setup stuff), but you can still avoid the block by block thing.

Wrong sub forum, as Karlito notes. Also, there's already a thread for this.

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Pretty well said, MSH. The particularly poignant part t'me was the last bit, specifically because any actual analysis shows that, if the so-called religious enemies actually are out to get us... there is precisely jack and shit the US could do about it. It's... it's a line of reasoning where the only true options are sucide (to prevent eventual unavoidable torture, catch 22'd by th'old condemnation 'gainst self-slaughter) or praying for apocalypse, which causes some goddamn horrible psych reactions in a person.

Me, I can understand that line of thought very easily... the only problem is that the only rational action I can derive from it is killing myself or actively working with said enemies as a means to minimize harm to self and family. It's basic strategy, really. If you can't obtain victory, you do what you can to minimize loss. You could make a case for doing as much damage as possible to your opponent... but in this case, that would accomplish literally nothing of import. Temporary damage and naught else. Even something like nuclear war would just end you right in hell, either for suicide or the murder of innocents.

It's not a case of The Way Things Are being the only way, with that scenario. It's a case of there being literally no way.

There's just no way out of that axiomatic basis. That, is one my stronger reasons for rejecting it.

Black Sigil on the DS is a definite JRPG and fairly interesting. You've got the dragon quest line, too... including the monsters stuff. Caravan for the GBA was fantrans'd a while back, and it's pretty decent if you cheat the food mechanic away

As for PC JRPGs, well... there's some flash ones! Also Septerra Core. Which is about the only non-emulated JRPG I've personally noticed on the PC... barring rpg maker stuff. Supposedly there's some damn good ones made with those things, but I've never really got around to playing them. The spirit engine games might count, I'unno. There's a few more I'm forgetting, actually... hrm. There were a couple supposedly good indie PC JRPG-ish games made, like... five, six years ago? Something with an A involved? In the title. There was a sequel. Man, I dunno

Feed to cat, then. Obvious solution is obvious