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I believe it's a result of the piracy issue being discussed in terms of who looses [sic] out of pocket, due to the capitalist society revolving around the exchange and movement of cashflows.
Rather than the moral issues involved.

Pretty much exactly this. The harm being done is strongly presented in lost sales, on the part anti-piracy advocates. The moral aspect is considerably weaker if there's not significant financial damage being done, because the moral infraction isn't much (if at all) greater than sharing a book or CD. The lost sales focus is a matter of addressing the heuristic being presented.

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Cript, you misrepresent me somewhat

I actually think the facts are there (or will be in the near future), just not easily accessible to the public. I would be very surprised if there's not a number of academic journal articles (and/or studies) on the subject. Many of which are difficult (or at least expensive, which is places it outside my capability at the moment) for someone outside of higher education to get access to.

Though the should-not-assume thing still applies fairly well. Good statistics trumps reason when we're dealing with the subject we're dealing with. Ideally, we'd be getting facts from all sides of the discussion; reasonable doesn't necessarily absolve burden of proof. You also presented the 90% figure on world of goo, implying you've got at least some numbers to provide. How was that number acquired?

But, that said. What do you want to do (in terms of continuing the discussion) if you take the lost sales as a given? "Some" lost sales isn't enough to bring moral condemnation down on a subject, I wouldn't say. If it were, then bad reviews or demos would (or could, at least) be about as bad morally as outright piracy.

Yeah, that bit about ignorance is a fairly good point. I'm not entirely sure what the hell a county commissioner does either, and my grandfather was mayor of the town I live in for a few years. I'm also at least partially college educated. Still don't know this shit, and I've never had it come up in any class I've been in.

Don't know what a lot of the local positions entail, really. What the hell does the school board actually do? Waste management? You get some broad strokes from the title, sometimes, but nothing specific. No one's bothered to bring it up and I've never really been interested in the local politics (beyond avoiding the frak out of it, because the majority of the people in this area are various forums of bigoted filth).

So, yeah. Is there like a pamphlet or something for this crap?

I strike you about the head and shoulders with the search bar.

Um, great, uh. Two URR posts above you. On this page. The one with the picture? Just up a bit? Yeah. I think you botched your spot check.

Don't have the full game, but re: Demo and getting arche to function well, I just switched control to the secondary character and played artillery. AI was pretty solid for keeping arche flapping about and murdering things, while not dying.

Some sort of sarcasm font or the like would probably cut down on the hate (ok, maybe diethate) on this thread by about %75

Perhaps impact? Oh gods, no. Not impact. Courier? *previews* That's... not as bad. I like the name of georgia, at least, and that's fairly readable. Perhaps Aqi would like to dictate an official sarcasm font for the thread? I'll just go ahead and nominate georgia.

Oh yeah... another thing I don't have, but I've had that stuff around in the past and it's done very well. I'll have to add it to my odds-and-ins mental list. Thanks for the reminder, heh.

My vote goes for not!Esirce. Diverse sounds amusing to me.