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Basically, I feel like "having faith" in people to not be having a massive and easily brought down conspiracy against you and "having faith" in a god to exist are two completely seperate things even though it's possible to use the same words for them.
Mm, yeah. That's actually how I like to view faith, on a personal level. There's two basic types of faith, faith in the unverifiable (Belief in what cannot be tested -- tests that cannot be communicated, i.e. post-death, don't count.) and faith in the not-yet verified (Belief in something you have not yet tested, but can be tested). Most faith related to the divine is of the former sort, most faith related to science the latter. While they're both faith (untested belief), there is definitely a difference in their nature. They're both important (Even science has some unverifiable axioms in it), but testable faith is much more applicable, i.e. useful, in a general sense. You can't really do much with an untestable proposition, other than see what the logical/practical consequences of its assumption is. A not-yet tested proposition, though, can be, well, tested. If nothing else, you add determining truth value to the actions possible related to it.

Once something is verified or proven to be false, its state turns into knowledge of some sort or another. That does have the implicit consequence of making untestable beliefs incapable of becoming knowledge, but I'm fine with that :P

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General Discussion / Re: Toonami is back, BABY!
« on: January 29, 2012, 08:02:07 am »
Woah, what the hell? They're running Ranma? I'm guessing censored and suchlike, but that's still a bit of a surprise. I vaguely remember them saying they'd never-ever run it, years back.

Also 08th's getting another run. Nice. Shame I don't watch TV :P

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: January 28, 2012, 11:51:26 pm »
Well, if I ever meet that person, I will whip out my iPod and show it to them. And then smack them upside the head for missing out all those years.
May we never meet in person, then :P

I've been in the same room as someone else watching a movie a few times in the last year or two, but I think it's been... four, five years now since I've watched one of my own volition? Even with that, I've seen probably less than a dozen, maybe two, movies in the last decade or so.

Somewhat unsurprisingly, m'consumption of most forms of non-still visual media decreased after I stopped watching/owning (a) TV.

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I am aware of all of that. Psychology advances. The church does not. They will always damn people who are different.
Nrghle. I hate actually supporting the religion side, if only because almost every modern practitioner I've seen basically piss on the face of whatever their major spiritual leader is, but I do have to point out that church =/= religion and organized religion =/= the breadth and depth of spirituality. The church does advance, though slowly, and the latter two can be incredibly helpful on a lot of different levels, it's just... well. Most people I've seen who claim religious preference don't even remotely do what's needed to be done to take advantage of that help, to put it lightly.

That doesn't necessarily mean that religion is a flawed and useless thing, but it does seem to implicate that it doesn't have a very good success ratio, so to speak. Psychology seems to do a little better, especially the bits of it that aren't wrapped around big pharma's reproductive organs. I'd take a counselor over most priests any day of the week, but psychiatrists can blow me, in other words.

I'm not sure why you'd compare religion to psychology in the first place given that they're completely irrelevant, though.
No, no, there's definitely connections between the two. The priest most definitely did take the role of counselor and mental health physician in the past, at the very least. Religious practice is definitely slanted toward engendering certain behavioral practices, same as psychology.

It's definitely not a direct correlation, though. Most of the psych. aspects of religion aren't exactly the direct goal, unlike with psychology.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 28, 2012, 08:31:30 pm »
Wheee
Spoiler: Taaabs! (click to show/hide)

I've tripled that before (it gets to where you can't see the little symbol, at all~), to say nothing of when I've got multiple browser windows open with that much (or more, whee!) tabs open per window. It's a lot easier than bookmarking or saving sessions~

Opera does have built in session saving, though, and you can open up a list of open tabs with ctrl+tab, and then click on the tab you want to go to (or press ctrl+tab a few more times to go to something close to the top). Also can scroll through via holding right mouse and scrolling the mousewheel. It's very nice.

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General Discussion / Re: We're too late, Obama signed ACTA
« on: January 28, 2012, 11:42:55 am »
So I'm confused.  Did Obama put his name on ACTA or not?
It's considered an "executive agreement" according to that article, so it basically doesn't matter whether he did or did not specifically put his name on the treaty. It's being enforced by the branch of government he's at the top of and a big enough deal that he pretty much cannot be ignorant of it. It went through with his approval, even if not specifically with his signature.

I haven't seen a list of names specifically put on the treaty, though. Considering the continuing refusals to bring the negotiations into public purview, it might be a bit before that comes out.

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General Discussion / Re: We're too late, Obama signed ACTA
« on: January 28, 2012, 10:36:45 am »
... okay, One: here. The larger ACTA thread. ACTA's been an issue since around 2006, when it was initially begun to be considered between the USA and Japan.. That thread started up in '09.

Two: ACTA was signed by the US back around October/September of last year. Whether Obama signed it or not was fairly irrelevant, it was already in effect. Actually checking the article now, yeah, it mentions the back-in-October thing. It... also wasn't actually Obama that signed the damn thing. It was one of our ambassadors, iirc. Doesn't change the force of the thing, but yeah.

Three: ACTA is a treaty. It's not law. That doesn't make it not frakking horrific, but it does mean that it's toothless by itself. The problem is when actual laws enabling ACTAs enforcement get through. If and when they do, they will be impossible to remove from the law books until the US backs out of the treaty, even if the hypothetical law is found to be unconstitutional, even if there is an absolute majority of the population against it. Incidentally for the states, that's what SOPA/PIPA and a number of other laws that are trying to get through is. They're means of activating ACTA.

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Wait, the NES one, right? Or... or the MSX2 one?

Actually played the NES version a bit, years back (via a particular bit of technosorcery). I'm not even entirely sure what an MSX2 is, heh.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 27, 2012, 10:49:22 pm »
Yeah, I wasn't even involving the just-now-noticed not-so-veiled innuendo I pulled putting that after FD's little image. It's actually worse than I had intended.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread
« on: January 27, 2012, 10:47:16 pm »
FSM, maybe... I'd think more along the lines of Hermes or something, really. One of the various gods of messengers or knowledge, I guess. Inherent semi-degenerate nature of a lot of the content aside, the sheer marvel of the speed at which information moves in this place is definitely god-tier as far as old myths and such are concerned.

Maybe if Zeus and Hermes had a butt baby or something. It's definitely a Grecian god, as far as major western mythos goes, though. Not many other of the big ones involve sufficient debauchery.

Also derail? Yes, derail. RERAIL!

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 27, 2012, 10:19:03 pm »
All I can think of is midget selfcest, now. Damnit, brain.

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The dwarf fortress steam group chat thing... probably. Unless Telle's got a fondness of the other DFC. Of which there's probably several chats related to the appreciation thereof, but none specifically connected to the Bay 12 community... that I know of.

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General Discussion / Re: Effects of an antimatter bomb? VOTE!
« on: January 27, 2012, 08:51:18 pm »
... a better than half year necro for a Dr. Strangelove joke?

I can dig it. Bombs be fo' lovin'.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: January 27, 2012, 08:19:24 pm »
Mundane sadness: Foodbag (which is basically just a ostensibly-laundry bag stuffed with foodstuffs) is down to four single-meal bags of (actually edible microwaved) rice. Once that's gone, nothing but ramen left for nonperishables. I hate grocery shopping as much as I do any other type of shopping, but I guess another trip's coming soon. Bleh.

For reference, foodbag usually has somewhere between a month to two months worth of nonperishables in it. Four rice bags won't even last a week :-\ Four days, if I do the eat-at-7-8pm once a day thing.

Though there's ramen still. Two or so weeks worth, if I ate nothing but. M'never really comfortable about food supplies unless I've got four or five weeks worth of various nonperishables in the foodbag, though.

Anyway, time to go finish cooking rice. Breakfast is always the first meal of the day, even at nineteen hunnard hours.

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General Discussion / Re: Secret copyright treaty leaked. It's not good.
« on: January 27, 2012, 06:46:34 pm »
Why are some of you hoping for violence? I don't get it. Deciding to kill a bunch of people would be worse than ACTA.
Because it feels like there's no other option. No other way of getting the point across. Non-violent protest is being ignored or bypassed.

There's also the hope that a little violence now will prevent a lot of violence later. It's never a good thing when civil rights abuses are allowed time to settle in to the bureaucracy and societal norms. That makes getting rid of the abuses that much more difficult. That the abuses in question are intent on damaging what's more or less the best damn invention our species has managed so far just makes things worse.

But of course, as Salmon and Whispers said, if it didn't come to that, everyone involved would be a hell of a lot happier. Pretty much everyone would prefer it if the people in power would stop the stupid shit before the actual people being made into collateral damage by said stupid shit are left with violence is the only recourse. S'just, yanno', some of us aren't seeing the chances of that happening as being very high :-\

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