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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: January 27, 2012, 05:48:15 pm »
Condolences. Empty word, mostly, but it's all I can offer. Stay moving until the shock lessens, mourn, and then see what step three is.

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I think men are afraid to discuss pornography.  There's huge cultural stigmas involved.  A lot of people believe that people who watch it are creepy, weird, and disturbed.
I'd have an easier time buying into that line if the pornography industry wasn't so frakking huge, even in the face of absolutely massive amounts of (legally, even!) free material.

S'always kind of struck me as more of a personal thing, really, which is why it's not discussed much in public. Most don't exactly go about discussing their depilatory practices at the drop of a hat, either. But both these opinions are almost hilariously unsupported by statsitical data and research, from what I understand :P

I'll give that the cultural standards re: porn does seem terribly two-faced, though. I'm reminded of a webcomic page I can't remember the name of, where it gave the short form of a case against an adult video store owner on obscenity grounds (or something along those lines) in some conservative part of the states or another. Apparently the defense went and subpoenaed the pay-per-view purchase records for the town, which were... illuminating. To quote, turned out that town "had needs." The obscenity charge was dropped, heh.

It'd be interesting to see the actual numbers on porn consumption, especially if you could filter for non-response/cultural stigma. There was at least one number on the various wikipedia pages that cited 800 million video/DVD rentals in "recent years," which is nearly 3x the population of the entire country and doesn't account for other means of distribution. The numbers are probably out there, but my (very, incredibly) cursory wikipedia browse didn't have anything that jumped out at me.

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Porn and masculinity (from a male perspective)
Is... the book any good? Intro and stuff doesn't really say much other than 'hey, went out and asked some folks on the ground.' Is link post thumbs up or thumbs down?

As for the apple thing... blegh. I maintain again it's going to suck switching over to linux, as I'm not very code minded, but the other OS companies have officially gone evil, so what the hell other choice is there? Real trick is going to be finding third party hardware manufacturers that don't buy from that fox-whatever but still has hardware I can actually afford :-\

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While I'd prefer [3], breaking the game in unexpected ways sounds very... dwarfy. If the game is likely to break in hilarious ways, go with [2]. Otherwise [3].

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Yes, I'm aware of the white man's burden parallel, but... no. Just... no. It's called teaching, providing technological know-how, materials where it's needed. Bringing the rest of the world up to parity instead of sitting here exploiting them. Not colonization and exploitation. Mankind's (obviously theoretical/unpracticed, but it's in most of the books!) moral obligation to mankind, to see suffering reduced when possible. You're legally culpable in the states if you just sit there and watch when a person is being tortured or murdered. There's a moral parallel there.

Or do you actually think just... letting what's happening in places like China happen is a good thing? That not providing the tools and knowledge base to modernize agricultural practices is a moral action? That "benign neglect" is the right way to go?*

I'm not invoking white man's burden. I'm not saying, "Hey, you have to end up exactly like us." I'm saying, "HEY! We've fucked up doing what you're doing before. Let us show you how to avoid our screwups!" And then helping them get the point they can at least punch a little in the big leagues. We can help people skip a few steps on the industrialization ladder, steps that caused us a whole hell of a lot of problems. We can also help the reach the point they're not completely defenseless and exploitable by more industrialized countries.

Because if they can afford to do that in on a material level, economic and technological parity is something I have trouble seeing as a bad thing for our species. We have some really frakking cool toys and knowledge of how to use them without causing quite so many problems as using them used to cause. I'm saying, yanno', share the ruddy toys with the kids down the street. To a larger extent than we are already, anyway.

Full information exchange and infrastructure/tool aid when it'd help. Suck up the short term cost and don't just hand out money; give materials and possibly short term specialists. Work to help people be more able to help themselves.

* Though that's completely ignoring that our actual actions as-is is both not neglect and only partially benign. But hell, I basically said that I can see that, can see saying benign neglect is the way to go. It just doesn't feel right to me. There's something off on the moral aspect of that.

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There's also a transcript! Which is nice, in a sense.

Mixed feelings, though, sorta'. It feels kinda' like we have some sort of obligation to, yanno', uplift the rest of the world. To help folks not have to slog through the shitstorms we did when industrializing, implementing new technologies, and all that. S'just... yanno'. Why are there still folks working in factories like that when we could automate, and save so much suffering? Why are there folks still tilling ground with hoes and oxen when we could help them build tractors and so forth? And etc., etc., etc. There's just always been this little niggling thing in the back of my head that things the "Solution" to the so-called third world is for the first world to get off their ass and bring them on up.

But on the other hand, why the hell is it on our shoulders? There's no actual obligation. There's no guarantee these industrializing or pre-industrial areas can even support the advances we've got. It's definitely a damn sight cheaper in the short-term to not do it, and frankly inefficiency employs more people, so isn't that some kind of macabre (possibly net, even!) benefit?

S'just... I'unno. A lot of the folks at the top of the world right now seem to flaunt their moral superiority, yeah, but they're all bark, no bite. S'what it feels like, anyway. We could bring most of the world up to us, but don't. To hell with the reasons why we don't, we don't. And there's something wrong about that. It might not be a net wrong. Might be for the better, in some sense. It doesn't feel right, though.

S'also two in the morning and I've been pretty damn melancholy for the past couple weeks, mostly because of corporations and other power blocs doing their normal stupid immoral shit, so whatever, I guess. Nap time.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread
« on: January 27, 2012, 12:16:35 am »
You guys are nuts. A project to build a moon base is a retarded idea and it would further bankrupt the country for no reason whatsoever.
Yeah, but the point is it'd be at least an interesting way of further bankrupting the country for no reason whatsoever. Which is better than a lot of stuff the politicians are pulling out of their arses.

I mean, shit, it's 2012. Yes, the internet thing is really damn interesting, and computing and stuff is totally in the sci-fi realm now, and yeah, yeah, we're getting closer to the stereotypical cyborg, but we were promised moon bases and flying cars, damnit. And they haven't gotten the latter cheap enough for mass production yet... or very effective, really.

So moon base, yanno'? It's harder to worry about the erosion of civil liberties when the folks on the podium are going, "M'fookin' moon base 凹(゚Д゚)凹"

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I'm sure 10% gravity moonhomosex would be -awesome-.
I think they've got like, wind chambers or something that can mimic that already. No idea how much it'd cost (or if it were legal) to have a go in one of 'em, though. So that's a testable hypothesis :P

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... what's wrong with comic sans, anyway? Font is font, so long as it's readable.

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Edit:
http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-army-cut-combat-brigades-175948392.html
I'm actually a little confused. Isn't that specifically the Army, not the Navy, Air Force, etc.? M'fairly sure there's certain sorts that like to conflate the Army with the entire US military, just to make an issue sound worse than it is :-\

Also your 4) seems to have cut off, heh.

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Doit. Feast on rice, beans, and meat for the next fortnight.

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General Discussion / Re: Secret copyright treaty leaked. It's not good.
« on: January 25, 2012, 09:35:50 pm »
How did this get in so fast and sneak under everyone's radars? I mean, the SOPA outrage was immense, it's hard to imagine something similar going unnoticed.
Wait, fast? ACTA's apparently been in the works for a bit more than half a decade, now. Started up in '06 with discussion between the states and Japan, according to the wiki page. And yeah, rest of world, you can apparently lay blame for this shit right on the shoulders of the states (And Japan, I suppose.).

As for the sneaking bit, yeah, there's been absolutely zero public consultation about the thing. It was done entirely behind closed doors. If someone hadn't leaked the treaty documents over the negotiation period(s), we probably wouldn't have ever heard about it until someone shoved (or snuck) something like SOPA through and then said "Ohshittreaty, sry" when the people said no to that bullshit.

Because from what I understand, with the ACTA signed, if something like SOPA or PIPA is decided to be, I'unno, unconstitutional, or is given an overwhelming public decry/outright veto, the bastards that are trying to do this crap to the general populous could basically say, "Well, no. Treaty, you see." ACTA's basically a knife at our back waiting for us to slip up even the slightest amount, after which the knife goes in and internet freedom and privacy bleeds out.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: January 25, 2012, 09:08:29 pm »
I feel immensely sad because it feels like everything is falling apart despite my best efforts and against its own interests. You'd rather destroy yourself and your friends/band than let me fix it...?
Do remember that whole 'let me fix it' thing is what prefaces a lot of abusive relationships. Considering your line of work, I'd imagine you run into that a lot :-\ Not saying the interaction between you two is abusive, mind, just noting the parallel. It's just a very dangerous line of thought to take when dealing with other humans, no matter how well intentioned. Especially for the one trying to fix things :(

You've made the offer, done what you can. You can't actually stop someone from ruining themselves and the people around them if they don't want to stop. You try to engender that desire if you can, but if that fails... better to contain the fallout as well as possible than try to stop a ship already sunk :(

In more mundane sadness, I'm about to go to sleep. Is about eight o'clock at night, which wouldn't be so bad if I slept a full eight hours, but the last half dozen or so times I've tried this I woke up between eleven and midnight, which honestly kinda' sucks, because it leaves me either going to sleep again at like six or seven (and sleeping 'till around noon) or completely frakking wrecked around and past midday. I hate needing to sleep, so much.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 25, 2012, 08:37:51 pm »

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Science. Fuck yeah!
Where... where does that link even go? Facebook? Here? The facebook... redirect thing, or... whatever that was. Didn't work for me, bleh.

That said. Pretty impressive. Between stuff like that and cybereyes we might have blindness beat by the time I die :P

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