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General Discussion / Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« on: September 16, 2011, 06:27:46 pm »
From what I understand, you use it largely the same way you do with dogs. Start with it, wean them off of it. Presumably, it's primarily a stopgap until they're capable of conceptualizing and/or internalizing the actual reasons behind the behavior you're conditioning them into. I.e. re: School: If the student can't grasp that the education is its own reward, there's not a damn thing you can do anyway (that's going to do more than make a superficial difference, anyway. Grades can go up, but it often means jack shit for actual knowledge retention).

It's pretty fair to be wary of that sort of conditioning, I'd say. From what I've seen most (at least a fair minority, if nothing else) people that use it, use incredibly clumsily. Still a bloody sight better than 'do it or get th'crap knocked out of you,' though ::) Clumsy version's about on par with simple authority conditioning, though. Both have problems.

This isn't exactly a surprise, though. Most parents are completely freaking unprepared for raising a child, and usually in a pisspoor situation (time being the biggest restraint, from what I've seen. You can't work a 40-60 hour workweek and have the time you really need to do right by a child. Certainly not as a single parent, and it's pretty damned suboptimal with two, even if one's a full domestic.) to do it, to boot. It speaks wonders for humanity as an animal that more of us aren't stark raving mad.

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: September 16, 2011, 06:11:11 pm »
Not necessarily important to hoard, but it is important to have -- especially stun, blind, and confusion resist. The bright side to this is that there's a few items in the game (particular artifacts -- glory of the pride and the fiery choker will cover all three between them, ferex.) that grant full immunity to one or more of those, so in the long run it's not much of an issue, but in the short term, stuff like not having good stun resistance can royally screw you over, especially if you're not pumping saves to compensate.

Stun resistance protects you from both being stunned and being frozen, two debuffs which, while somewhat less dangerous than they were in earlier betas, are still incredibly vicious status effects. Blindness becomes more prevalent in the later game, and not being able to see what/where things you're fighting is can be deadly, for obvious reasons. Stuff like telepathy, arcane eye, or track, can help mitigate this effect, fortunately. Confusion is deadly in its own right -- you can read a few pages back for, iirc, Robsoie's encounter with how brutal confusion can be.

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General Discussion / Re: [???] Things yoshi... Oh god no (Happy Thread)
« on: September 16, 2011, 01:12:28 am »

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General Discussion / Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« on: September 15, 2011, 11:43:34 pm »
Wait, what? How does that apply to children that don't grow up religious?

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: September 15, 2011, 09:06:21 pm »
Actually, there's just a random unique waiting for you. Not necessarily one that has a lot of status debuffs to throw at you. It's always a horror, though. Got a dredge with invisibility once. Bugger almost killed me, it did.

That said, teleportation doesn't work in the fortress. It's usually useless inside a lot of special levels and vaults. One of the other reasons movement infusions are generally more useful than PD runes :-\

And yeah, re: saves -- they're useful, but you generally need a lot. Also, investing in spellshield before you've got money is power, as a dwarf, is rather suboptimal -- MiP gives much better saves, heh. There's also the opportunity cost of investing it it when you could be putting the class points into, say unstoppable :P

Mostly I just don't like spellshield, though, heh. +30 magic save for 5 class points seems... lacking. Especially when dwarves can get +50 all saves for five generics and some money hoarding, and most of the other save-granting passives do something else besides saves (or at least more than one type of save), hum.

E: I have been enlightened that spellshield's overall power's going to go up pretty noticably with the new save system. It's something, for all I still don't think the talent's worth much :P

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: September 15, 2011, 07:36:10 pm »
Yeah... everything you feed to the chest gives the fortress some power based on its normal sell value. Gems power up the fortress fast.

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General Discussion / Re: [???] Things yoshi... Oh god no (Happy Thread)
« on: September 15, 2011, 06:53:42 pm »
I'm finding most of the manga I like is completely nuts. And would likely disgust most people. First Franken Fran, now Mad Bull 34... What's next I wonder?

... Fraken Fran is pretty awesome, honestly. It is borderline or full-on guro, though, which can be pretty off-putting for a lot of people. Not really worse than a lot of stuff seen on TV, but...

Haven't seen this Mad Bull 34 yet. Will check! E: Okay, MB34 is a keeper. Shotgun cats, ahaha whatthehell.

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: September 15, 2011, 06:43:28 pm »
Okay, how's antimagic? Magic Shield? The one that increases spell save. :P

Should I be working on that now or later or not at all or what? And as a general charecter question, am I to assume I shouldn't be raising racial talents unless I'm using the stat that increases their effects? (Con for resilience of the dwarves, and so on?)

Spellshield. It's generally not very useful unless you're specifically pumping saves. Saves are kinda' weird right now, as they're often not terribly useful unless you have a lot of them. Basically re: spellshield, you've probably got better things to be spending generics on. A point in it to unlock unending frenzy (1-3 points in that is generally quite helpful) is usually enough.

Re: Racials: Generally, you shouldn't waste raising them if you're not pumping the stat they scale with. A lot of racials don't involve stats -- they're fine to raise even if you've got stat mismatch. Even if you are pumping the stat the active racial scales with, the first tier talents don't get anything but cooldown reduction from talent investment (at least for non-undead), which is largely useless. Even at 25 CD, you're not going to be able to use them more than once a fight very often.

But even then, there's the master up that fortress, in the old version he was very very powerfull, and i'm not sure if i have the right level (23) to attempt this with probably only one life left (or two as i have the life phial), i wish i had not wasted some life stupidly.

23's usually alright with taking the master. Higher would be better, but it's doable.

Anyways, my current character
The thing about racials applies here, too. Even if you're investing in a scaling stat, the first tier racial talents are usually not worth investing in. They're primarily a once-a-battle thing -- lower cooldown isn't going to help much.

5/5 resilience + stoneskin, probably bad idea. CD reduction on resilience isn't going to help much and stoneskin just isn't very good. 0/5 money is power, worse idea -- it's the absolute best dwarven racial talent. Fixing that in the future will help you out.

You want 5/5 berserker, bad. Primarily for the resistances, but the damage boost will be noticeable and the accuracy will help a lot. Finish raising mortal terror, ASAP! Then go for unstoppable, it's a tremendously powerful panic button. Put a point or two in perfect strikes -- the duration increases with point investiture and can help deal with high defense enemies. As a berserker, you only need to hit a couple times to make things dead, usually.

5/5 spellshield, bad (or at least suboptimal, heh.), see above. 5/5 quick recovery would help you out. 1-3 points in unending frenzy can prep you for eventually getting shattering impact. Thick skin, armor training, good. 1/10 combat accuracy, not good, especially without precise or perfect strikes to shore up your accuracy. I imagine you're missing a lot at this point :(

Weapon mastery is just about right -- you don't really want to get it over four or five points on a 'zerker, and it's perfectly fine at three.

Question : is there any interest in powering up the fortress after you got to the point of getting the rod of calling upgrade already ?

Yes! Once you hit 30 power, you unlock the ability to enter farportals for the cost of 30 energy. Farportals take you (usually) to a random zone filled with critters. At the end of the zone, there's a randomly classed boss NPC (usually possessing 2-3 sets of class talents, which can get pretty nasty) that's guaranteed to drop a random artifact! If you can kill it, anyway.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: September 15, 2011, 06:20:10 pm »
Huh. Do these trusts get, I'unno, audited or something occasionally? Wouldn't stepping out of line inevitably get caught?

Mostly just curious, as I don't have much experience or knowledge about th'things. They sound like the might be useful for continuing to help people posthumously, but that's about all I know.

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: September 15, 2011, 06:11:16 pm »
A point (or several) into unarmed mastery would really help. Keep an eye out for better gloves -- flamewrought's alright, but it doesn't hit very hard.

5/5 wrath of the woods was probably a fairly hefty mistake, unfortunately, especially as a brawler (they don't need terribly much willpower, all things considered). All extra points in that talent does is decrease the cooldown, and even at 25 CD, you're probably not going to be able to use it twice in one fight.

You probably want relentless strikes, and aiming for iron skin (different tree) and maxing it and thick skin is a very good idea. You'll want rush eventually. Branching out into other activate talents will probably help, too, but you're still pretty low level.

Anyway, I wouldn't recommend doing derth right now. Head over to old forest or the maze if you have done all the first tier dungeons (you have access to six!). If you need to do some shopping, just go to one of the other towns.

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Other Games / Re: Games for 1st graders
« on: September 15, 2011, 06:01:27 pm »
Gods alive, do not use anything multiplayer unless it's in-house. At least not until 3rd grade or so. Recipe for absolute disaster, that, and probably losing your job once the parents find out what the kids have been exposed to.

Unless they can't read. Might be okay if they can't read. (Yes, I realize it was a joke suggestion. Still...)

I'd, uh. I'd say maybe find a working windows version of Odell Lake, or Odell Down Under? I played those when I was in first grade (earlier, actually). They were awesome, though they're pretty old nowadays.

Alternately, give a search of 'edutainment'. There's a whole host of games specifically for early education learning environments.

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: September 15, 2011, 05:17:28 pm »
If you've got your online profile going, you can just post a link to your character :P

Alternately, spoiler it inside code tags. It'll come out fairly readable.

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General Discussion / Re: Dad's taking the modem away, good bye internet.
« on: September 15, 2011, 03:01:18 pm »
... wouldn't a watermelon's juicy delicious innards completely ruin the router, though?

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General Discussion / Re: [???] Things yoshi... Oh god no (Happy Thread)
« on: September 15, 2011, 02:32:29 pm »
Bright side, 'thulhu! It's not difficult to find hotdogs not made of pig, nowadays. Considering how they seem to make 'em, they can use pretty much anything, process it into a hotdog-like shape, and sell it.

Some of them even taste good! They're even probably the same kind of meat it says on the package. Good times.

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General Discussion / Re: [???] Things yoshi... Oh god no (Happy Thread)
« on: September 15, 2011, 01:50:15 pm »
... I like boiled hotdogs just as much as I like grilled ones. They're also less trouble to cook, usually...

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