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Incursion has unicorns, too. Orcs can devour their corpses for a charisma boost, iirc.

Actually hell isnt that bad now, granted i just scratched the surface to get some ash and lava, but with the new monsters it's way less of an imp/bone serpent cutthroat. If you can get some obsidian skin and featherfall potions, it may even be a walk in the park. If the park had fire bats flying everywhere, that is.

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That's true, if and only if you're stoked up so high on obsidian skin potions your eyes are turning purple. Lava slimes are a freaking pain, those flipping bats are more annoying than imps (EVERY FREAKING WHERE), and th'other new fellow hits like a mack truck. Add lagaportation to that (via multiplayer), and hell is even more hell than before

Can't say I remember the conversation in question, but there's not many roguelikes with a focus on army control. The only recent one I can remember is Legacy of a Warlord, which was last updated about three months ago.

Also, as a general rule for future crawl spoilage, this. Not the wiki, or the wiki as your second source. At the very least, check both against each other, and be aware that the bot's a lot more likely to be accurate if the two are disagreeing.

This is especially true if you're running dev builds.

Alternately, code dive

And likely a vast majority of the vegetables, as well. Hell, the grass is probably some kind of low-key pokemon no one's figured out how to talk to yet.

It's stuff like that, that makes concepts like cthulhumon more viable. An entire ecosystem built on the consumption of intelligent beings.

The real question is how the hell humans are even alive, even in limited population. There's more than one pokemon that eats 'em (re: the bats), to say nothing of the ones that just wreck the joint.

At least sand's not terribly difficult to get rid of... just turn on autoclicker and read a book or something. I needed some glass (I've used like, maybe, 50-70 blocks of glass.). Made a nice place to start th'farm up, too.

In other news, re: the hacks, again. If you're spamming glowsticks and shit around, clean them up, god damnit. Those things can cause lag when there's several hundred in a small area.

Well, the crone isn't exactly a combat monster

Pretenders are roughly cut into three categories, the SCs (super combatants), the rainbows, and the bless-focused ones, though the third can blur into the first two pretty easily. SCs are monsters like the gorgon or prince of death, or the various physical monsters (dragons, giant bulls, krakens, etc, etc.). Those are combat monsters, usually ones specifically chosen and built to go up against large amounts of chaff (i.e. indie provinces), and are typically used to bash their way through the first wave of expansion. Later, they either get kitted out with impressive equipment or kinda' fade into the background, depending on what they're meant to do.

Rainbow pretenders are ones that have th'really cheap cost on expanding into new magic paths -- the crone is an excellent example of one. They tend to have very cheap costs, and very low natural dominion. They're either used for site searching, magic access -- shoring up paths their nation is missing, or helping said nation break into them (usually via forged boosters -- or both. They usually have a great deal of spread out magic levels, usually of lesser amounts compared to an SC or bless strat critter.

Bless pretenders are th'ones built to take advantage of blesses. They can be pretty much any chassis, but they tend towards the titans and their ilk, who like to have respectable magic levels in a couple paths. These paths tend to be shot straight up to level 9 or 10 in one or more magic schools, in order to unlock the secondary bless effects, which can be bloody gamechangers in some cases (Re: Jaguar warriors). Rainbow pretenders sometimes sacrifice a little diversity in order to get multiple minor blesses (level 4 plus) instead of one or two major ones. Bluerobin's lady of the spring is a titan, but not really a bless-focused one. She's got a minor nature bless (some regeneration), but that's about it.

There's also the "bugger the pretender" choice, which works terribly well against the computer, but I don't read about it being particularly viable in multiplayer stuff. Basically, go for whatever the cheapest chassis with the highest dominion is, imprison the bugger, forget magic paths, shoot scales through the bloody roof and get a nice dominion level to spread that all around.  More or less play the nation without a pretender

Um, actually, better than probably half of them can roflstomp all over most indie provinces with limited or no kit/research support, all by their lonesome. Some of them (gorgons!), properly kitted, can demolish pretty much everything not specifically built to kill them. All of them (barring, maybe, the immobile ones -- but even they can teleport/cloud trapeze into battle, if you really felt like it) can throw out battle changing spells if they've been given the magic levels for it. Even those that have limited magic, but major physical power (wyrms, dragons, titans, etc, etc, etc.) can do some serious damage rampaging around with an army.

Whether is a pretender is useful in battle is a decision made more by the player and how they build it than the chassis itself. As for it being a good idea, well... it can be risky (unless they're immortal and in their own dominion, in which case go wild), but that's true for most high investment critters, not just pretenders.

Anyway. Most pretenders are tremendously useful in battle, but you do want to be careful with them if you're hinging a strategy on their existence.