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Digging one block causes all connected blocks to collapse.

Don't even have to dig a block. If they're going to fall, just putting a torch beside or on the unstable blocks will incite the cave in. Good way to check for danger without wasting tool durability.

Only one I can remember off the top of my head is Guild. There's another one, but I can't remember the name of it. Unlike Guild, the party couldn't split up and move around, but you did start with four different characters in your party. Gimme a bit to chew through roguebasin and I can probably hunt up the name again.

EDIT: Minutes later... As for the easily moddable bit, I'm 90% sure there currently isn't any. Might be some in development, but there just aren't many party based roguelikes around.

Re: Magical. It makes a little speech-bubble type thing pop up every once in a while with a magician-related thing in it. Not much else.

Most anything ranged works pretty well with kenku. Unarmed and two-handed weapons go well too; kenku's are kinda' squishy, so they go well with killing everything before they get killed back. Check here to see their aptitudes. Higher is better.

I'd probably say either a fire elementalist or a wizard starting with the fire book would be a better thing to start off with, if you're getting used to the game. Especially the second one; the fire starting wizard book has mephetic cloud in it, iirc, a spell which liberal usage of renders the early/mid game more or less a cakewalk, as well as a summoning spell to help you branch into that school as well. Kenku have the best aptitude for summoning in the game (Which isn't saying much, as it's only +2. Still...). Wizard also has immediate access to blink, which a kenku would probably appreciate greatly

Anyway, air elementalist is actually one of the harder starting classes if you don't get ahold of another source of ranged damage; spark does alright for the early game, but even magic dart is generally the better spell. Static discharge is mostly useless (especially to a low HP race like the kenku!) and the only other offensive spell in there is mephetic cloud -- which is a boon, but it helps to have notable support to that particular spell.

Anyway, sleepy. All I got for yeh at the mo.

Yeah, I understand guys. I've had a pretty wild week. Do any of you have a preference of Saturday or Sunday?

Both are good but Sunday's better; less things are open, so I've got less excuse to go do something else

Totally missed the Wednesday thing. Was too busy panic-writing for a midterm, heh. I've had like one hour of sleep since yesterday morning, but I managed to turn something vaguely resembling the assignment in

Minor tip: Add fast to anything that flies. Or anything in general, heh. Fast flying heels got me through a number of the campaign maps

Does haste actually make spriggans move faster?  I thought it only increased their action speed.

Swiftness doesn't (sprigs actually can't seem to even cast swiftness without being slowed down by something) , nor does swift+fly (/levitation and flight control). Haste... I dunno. Quick wizard check shows that haste doesn't allow a spriggan to outrun a giant bat. It does allow a spriggan to outrun a monster spriggan, which they can't do naturally. Ergo, testing shows haste makes sprigs go faster. You could have done that yourself


Re: Tengu. Yeh played a kenku. Giant mites are pretty dangerous early on. Poison and fairly hard hitters. Kill from distance with throwy things, if possible.

The only reason for trainer use[...]

Objection! Use of only!

As a counterexample, I pretty regularly pull out the memory editor or (if it's convenient) a trainer for games that also have built in cheats. I've done it to the original SC a number of times. It's mostly a matter of convenience; typing in some unwieldy stream of letters every few moments/once per game (may go through quite the number in quick succession while cheating, remember.) versus the one/two button (often in-game) functionality of trainers or the (potentially) persistent effect of the memory editor.

Trainers are usually a lot quicker and more fluid in their cheat activation than anything the developers put into the game itself, at least when there's been any effort at all to implement a decent UI.

So I'd lay bets with you not everyone using them was trying to get around the achievement thing. Some just wanted to type less. Probably other reasons, too. Quite a few probably were trying to get around the achievement system, of course, but that only language gets you in trouble

Rest of conversation I guess doesn't really do anything for me. Won't be buying SC2 anytime this half of the decade (or this decade, period), no real interest in clearing out the HD space to filch it from somewhere. Maybe if I hear about something amazing coming out of the mapmaking stuff and the price went down, I'd fork out some cash, but... eh.

EDIT: Has anything really neat been produced yet?