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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 10, 2020, 07:28:36 pm »
Quote from: Egan_BW on June 10, 2020, 07:05:19 pm
Any more than it does to everything we own and interact with.
Which is to say it does and should, but we probably like it too much to actually care enough to meaningfully change behavior :P

Any case, their owner is a german company that also does chocolate, so yeah, probably evil. Likely child labor involved or somethin', I'unno. Kinda' forget what the common atrocities in the chocolate pipeline are, at the moment, just recall that there are some that get reported on occasionally.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 10, 2020, 03:41:56 pm »
Uh, traditionally in the US "save from insolvency" rhetoric has meant "gut the fuck out of it so it doesn't go bankrupt by dint of doing sod all and subsequently having fewer expenses". That's probably where that comes from.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: June 10, 2020, 08:35:11 am »
That feeling when you walk into the room and your grandfather's trying to wear a set of overalls like a thong. Fortunately over their actual clothes, but... still. Still :-\

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General Discussion / Re: [FBK]🍔 BIG FUBUKING HAMBAHGA 🍔(Happy thread)
« on: June 10, 2020, 07:16:49 am »
I guess? This isn't a carton of books, though. Space wise you could probably fit most or all of it on a flash drive or two; rather than filling a room with stuff, it literally fits in your pocket. I could dig you if it were like CD cases or old game boxes or somethin' (I'm in a similar place with books, if I tried to feed my reading habit with actual print media I'd probably fill a good portion of the surrounding countryside with books and book related material), but it's just... not. S'just data, and data is both super cheap and super space efficient...

E: Shifting through it for stuff you're interested in is a different story, but... honestly, all it really takes is setting aside an hour or two (or a few minutes every once in a bit) to skim through looking for stuff you're interested in. Not a huge effort in practice, more or less. The first time you encounter that kind of thing can be kinda' intimidating (like walking into a bookstore or library for the first time :P), I guess, but it's pretty easy to get used to.

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General Discussion / Re: [FBK]🍔 BIG FUBUKING HAMBAHGA 🍔(Happy thread)
« on: June 10, 2020, 06:43:57 am »
Quote from: scriver on June 10, 2020, 04:37:19 am
I'm kind of weirded out by people who buy the bundle despite knowing they won't play most of the games. What kind of perverse materialism is that? Why don't you just donate the money directly instead?
Honestly, at least part of the reason for me is plausible deniability. If someone gives me shit about donating a bit of my limited funds to the NAACP and a bail fund (and stateside organizations, cops, whatever, absolutely have a history of doing things like that), I can say I was in it for the games. Most of the rest of it was just using the games as an excuse to trick my eternally penny pinching hindbrain into not complaining about it. Spending most of your life with little to no disposable funds can fuck with your decision making process pretty hard in some ways. It's a massive pain in the ass to convince myself to donate to stuff, but dropping a bit to functionally put a fork in most of the rest of the year's entertainment budget is much easier.

Rest of it was just that the buy in price was bloody crazy, heh. Even if most of it was stuff I wasn't interested in, the price I did drop was a massive discount just on the stuff I was. It ain't materialism driving the thought processes there, it's fiscal scarcity :P

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General Discussion / Re: [FBK]🍔 BIG FUBUKING HAMBAHGA 🍔(Happy thread)
« on: June 09, 2020, 06:20:22 pm »
Itch.io's racial justice bundle is... kinda' crazy. 5 USD minimum buy in, pay what you want past that, gets you access to, uh. 1400 and counting different... things. Mostly computer games, some tabletop, plus like occasional art assets and whatnot. And it's not just bottle barrel shovelware or somethin', there's quite a lot of legit high quality stuff in there. It's nuts, and a good kind of nuts.

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Other Games / Re: SALES Thread
« on: June 09, 2020, 06:14:24 pm »
That bundle is bloody insane. It was up to 1400 and a bit when I dropped a twenty on it a few minutes ago. Stuff, probably good stuff, for like... all tastes. All of them. Mad stuff, there.

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General Discussion / Re: [FBK]🍔 BIG FUBUKING HAMBAHGA 🍔(Happy thread)
« on: June 08, 2020, 10:49:55 pm »
oh hey, it's vector, hi vector

Good to hear you're managing alright, heh. Hope the plague hasn't been messing with you/your school too much! Know it's been throwing a lot of spanners into a lot of works, but if it's going well enough for you to have someone to be writing screeds to y'all must be weathering things okay...

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General Discussion / Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« on: June 08, 2020, 08:06:15 pm »
Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on June 08, 2020, 07:37:43 pm

Lethal Threat Response
Armament - AUTOMATIC RIFLE, TAZER, & FLASHBANG
Citation Powers - NO
Arrest Powers - YES
Mandatory Division - NO

SWAT roles. To be deployed against mass shooter or siege incidents and certainly not for any kind of house raiding or riot response, let alone all the other bullshit existing SWAT are used for. Subject to military-style code of justice and increased penalties if convicted of a crime. I'm not entirely sure what to do with these fellows the 99% of the time they're not needed, maybe a reservist kind of thing with rotating shifts.
Iirc the areas that basically do this have that answer be regular/near-constant training. You more or less need that to be able to have people able to respond to that kind of high risk/tension situation without fucking up or getting fucked up one way or another, from what I understand.

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Other Games / Re: Terraria - 1.3 released. Big Patch!
« on: June 08, 2020, 07:22:10 pm »
It takes longer than I'd want to be holding a button down staring at the character slowly inch its way downward, especially prior to actually having a digger worth a darn. Also with explosives, you have the bonus of there being, y'know, explosions :P

I've dug the things before (hell, probably dozens of times by this point), and the reason you don't just dig is so you don't have to friggin' dig the bloody thing. Imagine, for a moment, just. Not. Digging that thing. Ruminate on it. Breath deep and throw down an instant hellevator and not have to deal with it. The play experience becomes better. Digging one isn't that big of an issue. Digging your sixtieth becomes a gigantic, "Naw, screw this nonsense." And there's options to screw that nonsense, either with explosions or (if you play last patch) things that are actually quick and relatively painless.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: June 08, 2020, 06:29:58 pm »
If you first compress the wire into a smooth ball of metal, sure. Shouldn't be an issue.

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General Discussion / Re: Untamed Virus Containment Thread: COVID-19: Ride the Wave, Dude! Edition
« on: June 08, 2020, 04:40:52 pm »
Probably wouldn't hurt! I've said it before, but I'd give even odds our healthcare system would improve if we'd just straight up behead every health insurance CEO and top hospital admin. Firing them all and taking most of their money (plow it back into paying worker salaries for a bit or somethin') would probably work even better, ha.

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General Discussion / Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« on: June 08, 2020, 04:36:49 pm »
Quote from: Reelya on June 08, 2020, 01:59:58 pm
I know you didn't say to eliminate police 100%, but Frumple did: I said you can't eliminate police 100%, and Frumple was the one that disagreed with that analysis.

100% elimination of police is the only scenario I'm talking about, in response to Frumple and only in response to Frumple.

BTW back to Frumple's original point, before modern civilian police forces ... it's not like they didn't have law enforcement and everything was just magically ok. They used soldiers / militia. The rise of civilian police forces occurred during the period of rapid urbanization for a reason. So if it's harking back to how they used to do things then you'd put the state militias in instead of city police.
Man, you keep typing my username but I think you might actually want to go back and check my original posts. Unless your habitual edit sprees jammed something in there while I was replying again, they weren't how you're portraying them. Beyond that I said literally fuckall about pre-modern police.

My original disagreement was with the farcical statement cops do sod all for home security now. Not your 100% whatever the hell you're going off on. Pretty sure not even my second post had much to do with that, but I guess I made the mistake of not quoting and expecting one of your posts to not go through repeated edits ::)

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General Discussion / Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« on: June 08, 2020, 01:52:40 pm »
Quote from: martinuzz on June 08, 2020, 01:39:32 pm
I don't think removing the police will significantly reduce 'reason to steal'.
Insignificant compared to poverty.

Thing is they're a significant contributor to poverty in parts of the states. Fines, fees, injuries and incarceration, felon records (often enough horseshit ones), so on and so forth. Cops often enough take already shit places and just make them that much worse.

So, like, I'unno, y'know? I'm saying I could see it go either way, or just not have much impact. At the absolute least stateside, I don't think removing cops from an area is necessarily going to cause an increase in crime (unless it's the ex-cops causing it, I guess, and even that could be offset by a lack of sanctioned harm previously coming from the cops). Plenty of places in this country where they just don't do much or any good for the people actually living there.

Quote from: Reelya on June 08, 2020, 01:44:32 pm
So you're arguing that making every legal won't cause more things that are currently illegal to occur? Basically you'd be legalizing murder, rape, slavery, etc. There have to be at least a few people who, if police literally didn't exist would think "well dang, I'm going to kidnap me some sex slaves". Hell, breeding sex slaves would be legal. And you're asking "what could go wrong if the police didn't exist". Like, fucking everything could go wrong.
I'm arguing the cops existence or lack thereof just doesn't have much of an effect on a lot of shit, or at least not a positive one. All that shit happens now, and only occasionally does police presence actually bloody help with it. I don't think you're much or at all more likely to see the crap you're talking about with or without them.

And if you could replace them with actually helpful shit that doesn't regularly brutalize, murder, and steal from people, hell, you'll probably be in better shape :V

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General Discussion / Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« on: June 08, 2020, 01:34:39 pm »
I mean, you say that, but would they? Most to all of the reasons a burglar does or doesn't hit a house has exactly sod all to do with police presence. They're well aware the cops are probably going to do bugger all about them, preventative or otherwise. Getting rid of cops wouldn't change the calculus much at all.

Frankly, I could see a reverse correlation involved; fewer cops ruining lives and pushing people to/keeping them on the edge could easily mean fewer people having reason to steal crap from folks homes. Bringing cops to heel and/or getting rid of their adverse influences for your area is part of making your neighborhood be unruined, ha.

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