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Why do youse in the states call them Hamburgers. They're beefburgers.

Only sometimes. Sometimes it's just whatever ends up in the grinder, which may or may not be ham.

Seriously though it's cause the preparation method more or less originated in hamburg, somewhere-in-europe. It's like swiss cheese or summat, not anything to do with pork.

Also note a nice slab of ham in a burger burn is still pretty good. Deli ham's fine, too, even cold. It's all sammich in the end.

Wait, Trump was right?

I mean, fire will kill the virus too. If you stick a blowtorch into your lungs and set it off, the virus will not survive the fire! Bleach will kill the virus, too, for that matter. Lots of stuff will. As poison control exists to remind us, the issue isn't so much what kills the virus as what kills the virus and doesn't kill or maim the host.

Still bad guys, from what I can recall, though it's been a while since I've seen a german say anything on the subject. Unless I'm forgetting something it's still, like, illegal to publicly display a swastika in germany. There's not exactly a huge amount of sympathy of the regime that got millions killed and got their own country's teeth kicked in in the process.

Huh. Looks like there's actually been a spike in parts of the country in disinfectant ingestion. Maryland seems to have sent out an alert to, uh. Not. Do that.

So any hope that people wouldn't be that stupid is apparently quite dead

Jiangshi aren't that uncommon in games, for what it's worth. There's one in the Darkstalkers series (hsien-ko), ferex, just as an idle example. Pretty sure some in touhou stuff, seem to recall some in the disgaea junk, or at least something by the same devs, so on, so forth. They're not super common but a lot of stuff that includes reference to eastern/chinese mythology and/or undead will include something either called that or clearly inspired by it.

I mean, yeah. Having to basically huddle under the blankets for couple months (repeatedly, for probably a year or two) sucks hard for most folks.

It just doesn't suck as hard as like one out of a hundred or worse of your people dying in agony. It's a pain in the ass we can probably suck up if it means hundreds of thousands or millions of people, y'know, not dying from a viral pandemic.

.. though that said, and I get it's probably sort of a joke, while PTSD and depression treatment's basically always badly needed, you'd probably want to remember it's, well, pretty shitty from the doctor's side, too.

Imagine for a second listening to stories as bad or worse than everything going on with the crow plague, and trying to help people through that, except rather than being something you're engaging with sporadically and can sorta' remove yourself from at times, it's literally your job and you're doing it every work day. It's rough shit, burn out and depression/suicide rates among psych doctors dealing with those kinda' issues are pretty high. If just stay at home stuff is too much, it's probably not a good fit

Can you make that not sound condescending?  That tone doesn't help.

Mate, that tone isn't condescension, it's extremely intense frustration. There's a lot of people going around spreading horseshit right now about how what we need to do to properly manage a fucking plague is somehow bloody unknowable, when it's not. At all. The right course of action is friggin' solved on the top level of things (test hard, limit movement and means of spread, support your population), it's just logistics and people refusing to do it that's the actual trouble.

That said, while I think that is possibly a solution, it doesn't address "balance" (people want to go to work because their bored, not merely because they aren't paid).

It absolutely address balance. People get to go to work to alleviate boredom, without getting people killed, when the situation is such they can go to work without it getting people killed. Which means identification of infected individuals and control of their movement, management of protective equipment, adapting new behavior to prevent spread, and so on.

It's also not practical at all.  I mean are you really suggesting that we forcibly incarcerate people for quarantine? 

Mandated quarantines have already happened in the US -- there were stories earlier this year of poor bastards getting held in the hospital for days/weeks and then getting the bill for it shoved up their ass. Some other nations, some of them even democracies, also seem to be managing something vaguely in that direction.

And absolutely, if you're confirmed positive you should be locked down pretty hard, and probably have the law bust your ass with something (fines, incarceration, whatever) if you don't comply and go screwing around trying to infect people with something that kills somewhere between one in a hundred to one in fucking ten of the people that catch it.

Every effort should also be made to make sure it doesn't screw you over one way or another (from going stir crazy to going bankrupt), and probably to reward willing compliance if that'd help, but if you want your balance point between economic activity and people not fucking dying to the goddamn plague you have to limit the movement of the infected. Ideally without coercion, but if basic goddamn sense and decency doesn't stop someone from spreading a plague you go to your next options.