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Yeah, I've ran into that occasionally. It's always kinda' offputting, your eyes just sorta' slide off stuff that looks like that if you've spent much time in the seedier bits of the internet, or ever tried to clean up a grandparent's computer or somethin'. After a bit of looking around the page and maybe checking other parts of the site, it occurs to you to actually check the link address and then it's like finding a perfect trilobite or summat, some wonder of nature you never see, giant green download button that isn't going to try to turbo ream your computer.

I just wish I saw even half the vitriol and word count used to dump on moderately centrist or leftist folks aimed at, say, the shitgibbon in chief currently directing federal agencies to functionally fucking steal medical supplies and PPE and shit from state level healthcare efforts.

Part of me guesses it's some kind of artifact of loitering in largely left-wing areas to begin with, but most days it seems like I see several orders of magnitude of shit flung at biden or whatever and nearly fucking nothing at goddamn trump, or any number of GOP fucks currently in the process of actively getting our population killed by the fucking plague.

Instead it's shit like pages of whether it's okay to coopt fash bullshit to point at people not nearly as fucking bad as a whole goddamn slew of targets basically actively fucking murdering us. Fuckin' frustrating.

I mean, it depends on what you want to do with it? Theoretically an amish-type culture that simultaneously had strong norms regarding population control and eco-management could self-sustain with a pretty small population in relative perpetuity if they were on decent land, assuming no major natural disasters (including disease, heh, and that not just for humans) or environmental change showed up for a visit. Either of the latter could easily force a move or just delete them.

Anything more ambitious/less inhuman than that starts needing more space, and more ability to move around. As a rule humans are pretty fucking bad at long term self-sustenance in a significantly limited geographical area. We've tended to eventually ruin wherever we're stuck at one way or another for most of our history. We get around that by, like, having big places to exploit without having to murder people (quite so hard) to get at it, and maybe trading with other places. Nations and whatnot.

It depends on many factors. In the US, I wonder if the lack of health insurance could drive people to refrain from requesting treatment until it is too late?

It's not just that -- in a lot of places we're still basically not fucking testing, so you functionally can't "request treatment" until it's too late. Given how rapidly the crow plague can turn severe or fatal, if you're infected but the docs aren't aware (because we're not fucking testing) and/or you're not near a hospital (with the means to help you), you can end up just bloody dying because no one is taking proper precautions or fucking knows they need to, to keep your ass from dying.

The costs involved are definitely driving people stateside to not seek even basic aid, though, yes. On top of everything else. Part of the "fun" shit is that covid shares symptoms with a lot of shit, so one thing I've seen folks concerned about is even if aid is available for covid testing or care (and if anywhere is actually fucking doing that for the uninsured in the US, I haven't noticed), if they're ill and uncovered and go in to get checked on and it turns out it isn't the crow plague, now they're up shit creek of medical bills and the paddles are only being provided to other boats. So they don't go in, because a negative hurts them as much as or more than a positive.

Go figure, a fucked up healthcare system is making a fucked up situation more fucked. Who could have goddamn thought.

There's going to be a morbid humor if that manages to get them infected. Bureaucracy literally killing the bureaucrats

Like, I get respect for a constitution and rule of law and whatnot, but sometimes you should probably just go, "Yeah, maybe we don't actually need to spread the crow plague to agree to procedure to avoid spreading the crow plague." Just throwing that one out there. Anyone with sense will understand. Anyone without can be conscripted to give aid to quarantined citizens or somethin'. Pretty sure folks could figure something reasonable out.

So Fauci apparently has a protective detail now, after an upswing of far-right vitriol was noticed as being directed at 'em. Welp.

Goldman Sachs (iirc) is currently projecting a Q3 GDP (or something like that) contraction of like 30% for the US, yes. So, uh. Yeah. It might not technically meet the definition of depression (I seem to recall that needing multiple quarters of contraction, whereas what's coming is just a massive fucking sledgehammer all at once), and it's probably not full on here, yet... but for all intents and purposes we're in a depression, just the early stage. Just gonna take another few months for the train to proper hit.

Also our unemployment rate is basically just going to read "lol" and tens of thousands of people are probably going to be dying of the crow plague, so hey. Interesting times, albeit remarkably shitty ones.

I wonder if we'll hit a million recorded cases in the US alone.

Only if we don't stop testing. A million recorded cases would be all of less than a third of a percent of our population -- it's around 0.3 percent -- when we're getting regular projections that over 30-40 percent of the country will eventually get infected. Unless we just stop fucking testing entirely, no shit we're going to have a million recorded cases in the US alone. If we keep on top of testing we're probably going to have well over ten fucking times a million recorded cases. Shit, we're probably going to have over a million recorded cases in individual states.

We're going to be fucking lucky at this point if we don't have a million goddamn deaths. Likely is looking more like 500-600k dead, and it gets worse from there. Minimum 'holy-shit-god-actually-is-on-our-side' levels is still six digit body count, with everything that means with the rate of infection and hospitalization