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Quote from: SalmonGod on March 15, 2020, 06:06:58 am

We're now at a point where I'm genuinely afraid for the safety of my diabetic child, as people die in this country every single day from inability to afford insulin.

Do you not have a law that protects you, when you commit a crime (in this example, steal insulin / rob a pharmacy for insulin), where the sole motive is preservation of life (in this case of your child), so that you will be found guilty, but not sentenced?

Nope. There's some good samaritan stuff that sometimes protects you if you fuck up trying to save someone's life, but it wouldn't help you much if you, say, busted in a store window and janked their medical supplies. Stuff that can help if you break a window or break down a door to save someone in distress, but as far as I'm aware there's no situation where something like stealing prescription meds (and note with insulin the shots are daily, so there'd be consistent theft going on, not just a one-off or emergency thing) would have any sort of protection except a judge's mercy.

And a judge's mercy in that case would probably be taking your child from you, since you're clearly unable to care for them, and then throwing you in jail both for theft and child abuse/negligence. At that point you're probably better off surrendering the kid to children's services voluntarily, and doing whatever your equivalent to prayer is that our jacked up foster care system won't fuck the kid up too hard or just get them killed anyway.

Though still for significant expansion of most of our existing public healthcare stuff, for what it's worth. Iirc he's at least sometimes been for a public option, too, if not single payer.

Basically not as good as it could be, but still, y'know, pretty fuckin' huge improvement over the current state of things or the goddamn hellish shitscape that was pre-ACA. Just in case anyone was thinking Biden's plan on that front is even remotely comparable to the rotary powered pope's pear the GOP wants to jam up our collective asses.

I think everyone is lying. A lot. About many things. Or rather we're getting partial truths.

I mean, probably a lot of that is less lying than "don't actually know". Some of that don't know seems to be goddamn intentional (See the US or the UK), but fog of war, so to speak -- incomplete information, communication inefficiencies, and so on -- could easily explain a lot of the stuff we've been seeing, without having to involve dishonesty or malice.

... that said, we also have pathological liars as several countries' heads of state right now, so there's probably plenty of lies going around, too. Eh.

My primary point of comparison was seasonal flu. Hundreds of millions of infections, millions of hospitalizations and hundreds of thousands of deaths every year worldwide. We take the virus apart, create the vaccine, distribute it, weep for the lost, and get ready for next year. This is a routine, not a reason for panic.

Slowing the spread of infection is important, but far more has been done to do so for COVID-19 than for any other disease in recent history. I'm not saying we should do less; I'm asking why we didn't do more for the others.

Like covid's actively more dangerous than the seasonal flu? Routine going into at-minimum 5-time overdrive is reason to panic in most situations, nevermind situations that kill people.

You would expect doing less for things less likely to kill people. Other stuff's also tended to be spread out more than this thing's been so far -- vaccines exist for seasonal flu, and took hecka time to develop, its whole shtick is over several months rather than several weeks, etc.

Add in more capabilities, more awareness, and so on, and you've got most of your why.

I mean... doesn't that only work if we're trying to test to a relatively similar degree? Because we're still not doing that.

I mean, they sorta' bought it for like... three hours. That's how long the bump lasted. Then they were like, "Oh, wait, people are still going to be burying hundreds of thousands of pandemic victims over the next year or two, time to go back to shitting the bed and dying!"

I mean, you're medical yeah? They'd probably be pretty cheerful to conscript welcome that. Unless you're worried about getting out afterwards, I guess.

Quote from: Reelya on March 12, 2020, 08:23:59 am

I think he might've thought you were a Murrican, where such nice options are very rare for the common folk.

Nah, it just looked like general advice, and I had missed the earlier context somehow or another. If it was specific to whatever relatively non-hellscape employment situation they're in, the post doesn't particularly apply.