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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: August 18, 2023, 08:17:09 am »
Quote from: Strongpoint on August 18, 2023, 04:42:31 am
Why they are doing this instead of allowing it instantly? Well, it is obvious. MONEY. It is better to check if some male GM is actually transitioning or decided to grab some easy cash in a women-only tournament.
I mean. The eternal question pops up regarding shit propositions like that. Has that ever goddamn happened?

Has there ever, even once, been a case where a male GM decided all the abuse and frustration that comes from publicly claiming transitioning, nevermind the hellscreeching that would come from faking it, is worth the money from a tournament? Is there any grounds to think it would happen outside the delusions of transphobes?

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Other Games / Re: How did you last *own*?
« on: August 17, 2023, 05:01:35 pm »
Quote from: Akura on August 17, 2023, 03:01:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So that's what happened when aku did
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thing, huh. Gannondorf. Makes sense to me.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 17, 2023, 04:58:34 pm »
These days? I'm pretty sure mag's noting that due to being somewhere on the lgbt spectrum. Decades or centuries ago, the raw number might have been lower but the relative proportion was almost certainly higher. Nothing new about it, sadly.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: August 17, 2023, 01:42:10 pm »
Well... if nothing else, I think we've found the pythagorean mystery cultist :P

They're a rare breed, but they do exist even in the modern era...

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: August 17, 2023, 11:31:14 am »
Quote from: McTraveller on August 17, 2023, 07:24:57 am
Also, I think there is confusion between "the machines, including our brains, that we use to perform math depend on physics" and "math depends on physics."  In the One True Math, math exists outside the need to have a physical embodiment - Math Is and Was and Will Be.  8)
Though now the question is, are you a platonist just in regards to mathematics, or do you extend that to other things :P

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: August 17, 2023, 12:32:12 am »
For what it's worth, facts don't have to exist for some opinions to be more useful for some things than others, heh.

Math is on an incredibly fundamental level a constructed system, though. It's the major reason why there's as much agreement on what's true or not in regards to it, because of course if you're working from the same priors (mathematical axioms) using the same systems of interaction (human brains, formal logic, etc.) you're going to have broad agreement in what's true and what isn't. It's unique among sciences specifically because it's a constructed system, not something that has to deal with reality or nature in general.

Math's mostly just a language, at the end of the day -- an incredibly useful one that we've gotten a lot of mileage out of and will pretty certainly get a lot more, but that doesn't make it somehow spontaneously generate from a platonic form or somethin'. Until we meet other relatively equal intelligences, and especially ones with extremely disparate means of processing thought (and computers don't count even a little, considering humans make the things, with all that entails), we don't really have a way to prove otherwise.

We just also don't need to, to keep using it for all sorts of helpful stuff, heh.

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General Discussion / Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« on: August 17, 2023, 12:00:22 am »
Uh, just to make sure it's clear, I'm not saying that with anything approaching actual authority or likely accuracy. It was just a random thought on hearing the song again after a long period of not. It's not impossible it's true, but I'm not aware of anything regarding Palmer that makes it particularly likely (sadly? It's a much spicier and subversive song if it's true, which is generally pretty neat).

... it really does fit remarkably well from the presentation and the lyrics, though. Almost all of it fits really well into a femdom framing at a minimum, and a fair amount of how it's phrased suggests pretty strongly the "inscrutable methods" involve penetration happening to the singer for the first time.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: August 16, 2023, 09:00:48 pm »
Quote from: McTraveller on August 16, 2023, 08:32:19 pm
What I mean by “pure” math is like: There is no physics “behind” counting - this gets back to labeling and pattern matching and pattern extension. Counting exists without physics. Sure we started by counting things, but then we had the miracle of realizing you could just count - there is something deeper that counting things.
I mean, this isn't actually true; the "physics" behind counting is neurology, the functioning and structure of the human brain that's processing the concepts involved with counting (from the actual mechanical process to the aesthetic aspect in deciding it's worth doing) and (for it to be particularly relevant to anyone) communicating the process to others.

It's one of those side issues in regards to epistemology and mathematical theory in general, iirc, that largely inescapable doubt that the basic structure of our brains and how they function is somehow corrupting how we posit, interpret, and expand on mathematical axioms and what falls out from them.

... reasonable response to that is generally about what it is in regards to existentialism (i.e. shrug and find something better to do with your time than worry about it, work with the cards you're dealt, etc., etc.), but that doesn't make the problem go away, it just means you're ignoring it and hoping for the best :V

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General Discussion / Re: [MILK] There were 12 eggs here what did you do with them? (Happy thread?!)
« on: August 16, 2023, 07:34:34 pm »
Quote from: pisskop on August 16, 2023, 06:57:00 pm
I really want to see 'the milky way'.  Living on the East Coast as I do I have never.  You know, that band of yellow nebula and starburst swathed across the night sky
I mean, I'm east coast-ish, too (more gulf coast/north florida, but close enough), and I've seen the sky without light pollution around here once... after Michael came through, and basically knocked over everything within several dozen miles.

It really is pretty, but it also seriously emphasized what all that light pollution is providing otherwise, heh.

Also hey, kitties! Is the darker one full black, or just partial?

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Other Games / Re: The "Recommend me a game" thread
« on: August 16, 2023, 05:09:57 pm »
From what I've seen of chatter regarding it, sentiment seems to be extremely good. Not personally interested in playing it, mostly because the spelljammer tease is too disappointing, but general reception seems to be putting it as one of the best CRPGs to date.

That said, sentiment also seems to be noting it's substantially like Divinity: Original Sin with a coat of 5e D&D paint, so if you've played DOS you've probably got a decent idea of whether or not you'll like it. A ninja'd a bit, heh.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: August 16, 2023, 04:53:23 pm »
Quote from: Telgin on August 16, 2023, 04:11:39 pm
I read once that that part of the Bible was altered to replace references to Ra or some other Egyptian god with the Hebrew God as a way of trying to emphasize he was the only god that existed, and that passage suffered a lot as a result.

I have no idea if it's true but I always found that passage troubling when I was a Christian.

And if that is true, it doesn't speak well for anyone who thinks the Bible is inerrant.
It's definitely a statement easy to find being made, and iirc there's a few other places in the bible that's supposed to have gotten the same or similar treatment (if I'm not misremembering there was something like a reference to Ba'al replaced with reference to demons or false gods or somethin' like that, in relation to a contest of magic or... something.* It's been a while since I cared enough to look at it, heh).

From what I recall the original passages referenced other gods but made sure to portray them as weaker ones, which still fits fine with major precepts of scripture but, obviously enough, doesn't exactly play well with the whole "monotheism" thing, heh.

*Which... might be thinking of 1 Kings 18, but I'unno. That passage is pretty fucked up for other reasons (extremely murderous religious violence, in which followers of YWHW murder several hundred rival priests after pulling off a party favor with "water" that caught fire when exposed to burnt offerings), but it looks like even the kjv retained reference to baal as a god/gods, just an absent one.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: August 16, 2023, 11:22:16 am »
Yeah, it'll suck for a while, especially with one that's been around that long.

... cherish it. For all it hurts, it's probably better than having lost so many it's largely stopped hurting.

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General Discussion / Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« on: August 16, 2023, 11:19:49 am »
Simply Irresistible is a song about meeting someone into pegging for the first time and finding out you're really, really into it. "Breaking every law" includes the sodomy laws that were still on the books in the states at a minimum when it was released.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« on: August 16, 2023, 05:04:00 am »
friggin biology driving to a place you haven't been isn't a goddamn bear this isn't helping #fuckanxietyreactionsaaaahhhh

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: August 16, 2023, 04:01:15 am »
Quote from: hector13 on August 15, 2023, 09:53:30 pm
You do have an indifferent god though. A benevolent parent doesn’t let their children suffer when it’s clear they’re incapable of looking after themselves, or indeed learning to do so.

Edit: If you take the current state of the world as an example of benevolence, I would very much never want to see what indifference would be like, wowzers.
Heh, it's basically a theology 101 example of religious language, where words like benevolence mean absolutely nothing like the general usage of the term.

There's been a fair amount of pretty interesting discussion on the subject over the years, as well as in regards to how intentional it is. Most of the major religions have gotten a lot of mileage out of the linguistic bait and switch involved, and iirc there's indication at least some of that was deliberate. Few things are better for a priest than a good god with no guarantees or actual limitations in behavior, ha.

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