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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« on: March 13, 2018, 03:13:15 pm »
Man, I miss having a president who was just a transparent shill for native corporations, rather than for a hostile foreign government, too.
I can't help but think that's closer to your intent. Trump's been pretty cheerfully shilling for native corps, too...

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« on: March 13, 2018, 01:01:57 pm »
Just you wait, MSH. One of these days trump will send out a tweet firing his entire cabinet and every part of the executive whether he has the authority to or not, and then yell about intending it and follow through on live TV.

All the racist cookies in the world won't save sessions at that point.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« on: March 13, 2018, 10:47:04 am »
Yeah, there's apparently at least one german ngo seeking warrant for haspel's arrest already. Clownshoe clusterfuck continues...

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 13, 2018, 10:39:09 am »
I think that's one of the reasons I rarely pick up DF again these days.  Forts are so much safer than they were when I started (40d I think), unless you go out of your way to make mistakes or find Fun.
Seem to recall Z levels in general made things safer, really. Least once most of the major-ish bugs were ironed out. More room to finagle things so it wasn't a concern...

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« on: March 13, 2018, 08:28:08 am »
Aaaannnnddd tillerson is out. To replaced by something that sounds like a volcano and unfortunately appears to possibly be worse than tillerson for anyone not crawled up the GOP's digestive system (well, probably them, too, but gods know it wouldn't be admitted). Not that it makes terribly much of a difference these days when republicans (barring maybe like two in congress or somethin') regardless of extreme views vote lockstep with whoever has a R by their name that walks up and shits on the rug, but whatever.

But anywaaay. Another one gone, etc., etc.

As if white people are the only ones who do that, but I get the point that person is making.

The House Intel Commitee Republicans are ending the Russia probe they are doing, say they found no collusion and no signs that Russia meddled to specifically help Trump. It'd be for the best anyway since it became a major farce what with the partianship. The Senate investigation and Muellers probe are still ongoing.
Also this is your day's reminder "collusion" means precisely jack all from a legal perspective. There's no charge, it's not illegal, so on, so forth. Though the no signs thing is blatant bullshittery I'm pretty sure you could disprove at this point watching goddamn fox news, never mind anything worth a damn news wise.

Meuller's been hitting/is going to hit people with charges for conspiracy, and related issues. Which actually exists as a legal concept, unlike collusion. Not that you should put stock in much of anything coming out the republican intel committee members at this point. Maybe after something fortunate for the rest of us happens to nunes.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: March 13, 2018, 02:54:25 am »
Basically everything I see with any regularity seems to suggest more, smaller meals are going to be better for you, health wise. It's damn sure the recommendation for diabetics, and I think folks at likely risk of it, too.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 12, 2018, 07:18:19 am »
Perhaps y'all should consider... cats. Cat infestation is much more purry. I guess there's dog breeds engineered for rat hunting, too, if it came to it. They don't purr nearly as much, though.

... though it does remind me of the time a rat got in my house when I was much, much younger, and we shortly got treated to the sight of one of the resident felines hauling off a rat that was bigger than the cat was. Furry little superpredator ftw.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« on: March 11, 2018, 11:43:30 am »
He says he’s a busnessman, surely he realizes reducing the supply of something by murdering (or threatening to murder) suppliers will only make it more appealing to use violence in order to secure their market, and thus larger revenues due to the reduced competition?

He's a businessman in real estate, he's never been involved in anything where he needs to actually buy material goods. He has been involved in building, but he's left the budget to other people and he's known for stiffing people on payments.
A shitty businessman in real estate, too, mind you. If you're hinging anything related to understanding business practices on trump's status as a business owner, you've probably fucked up. Above and beyond any cognitive issues that may be rolling around the guy's just never been particularly good at business. Middling at business related con jobs but so far as admin and management and logistics and whatnot go, he's just kinda' bad at it. Case study in how inheritance can let you get away with being incompetent, really.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« on: March 09, 2018, 04:36:05 am »
... talking about china is kinda' pointless, though. The tariffs were targeting everyone (incidentally, no one I've noticed concerned about the tariffs have given a single shit about china's reaction), and now that they might not be they're basically fucking useless for doing much about chinese steel flooding the market (never mind china's already been downshifting on that front for a few years, now, apparently). At most you're going to be boosting whoever you spare from the tariffs while screwing over everyone domestic that relies on produced steel and aluminum. Domestic production ramping up is cute, since it helps roughly sod all until it's actually built and running, assuming it happens at all worth mention.

Like. Congrats, you've made canada and mexico's (or the eventual whoever) economic ties to china stronger with no gain for yourself, while pissing off many of your allies and possibly/probably starting a trade war, and screwing over your own economy even if your domestic capability does decide there's some benefit to producing more since there's both an interim period involved and the flat sodding fact we're better off jobs wise producing crap with steel rather than producing steel. If your aim was to punish china or help yourself you're doing a much better impression of poodle fornication and should maybe reconsidering screwing the pooch.

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It has to do with a different perception of what is commensurate for qualifying as having fulfilled a citizens obligation to the contract.
... maybe? Like, sure, groups vary as to what they think fulfills the social contract, assuming they frame things in that manner to begin with, but that's a pretty empty observation on its own.

The devil's more in the details here, and again, I don't think there's actually a straight answer to be had, exactly. Especially not on as broad a front as conservative or liberal vis a vis the american political sphere. The positions and contrast you're looking for just aren't particularly consistent, over time, subject, or locality, particularly for the current mess that is stateside conservatism.

Specific subsections of either you might have better luck, assuming they articulate or act like they give a damn what their position regarding a hypothetical social contract is to begin with.

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Maybe rephrase the question? If the bit specifically trying to aim at what seemed to be the question was off base, it might help aim better.

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"Drown it in the bathtub" is more the thing, so local-er interests can operate unfettered. And do things like get in your bedroom and jackboot tapdance on brown people, yes.

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Not terribly accurate portrayal of american conservatives, unfortunately. Conservatives of the GOP direction are perfectly happy interfering with people's lives (see most anything lgbt related, as an example) and shitting all over their rights (see massive swaths of law enforcement and national security related issues).

Re: the question itself, I honestly can't list something out off the top of my head, largely because the conservative stance on the concept of social contract is inconsistent as everloving fuck and hypocritical bloody often to boot. Liberal side of things is much better on that front, but still has its jittery bits.

I'd probably be leery about trying to actually hammer down some kind of list of either side, basically, especially if it's based on more on professed beliefs than actions.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 05, 2018, 09:12:12 pm »
Pretty tasty if you got a sweet tooth, though, if you're talking about the soda tea. Even the sixty+ year old english teacher, as well as various family members I've inflicted given the stuff to, spoke positively of it (and drank all of it, more pointedly). Not something I've had in a while (mostly because I've pretty much entirely stopped drinking caffeine), but it was pretty good.

Barqs root beer is another one that turns out better than you'd expect. Part of that is probably because expectations are holy shit low for tea steeped in boiled soft drink, but the rest is cause some sorts of tea go disturbingly well with boiled soda.

... you do need a sweet tooth, though. Tastes a lot like hot liquid sugar.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 05, 2018, 07:29:57 pm »
Not really. Just odd.

Incidentally, the purple mountain dew makes a disturbingly good base for green tea. Boil it instead of water, steep the tea, drink, collapse a few hours later when you come down from the high enjoy. Specifically tried it with whatever it is that's common-ish honey/lemon/ginsing blend green tea.

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