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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« on: February 13, 2018, 04:33:15 pm »
So the government doesn't have the right to ensure that it's money is being spent as well as possible, but the citizen who needs the help has the right to waste it?
Irrelevant question, really. We know as flat fact at this point that giving the citizens who need help control over what the funds get spent on is ensuring the money is being spent as well as possible.

Cuts to it are a bad, bad, bad idea that should be embraced by nobody.
... yeah, as a rule if you're doing something to SNAP that isn't expanding it, you're indulging in a farcically fucking stupid idea. There's maybe exception for just straight giving people money, iirc.

Incidentally, to mostly reiterate what you typed while I was kicking the kindle into making this post, food directly to door replacement is another layer of farcical fucking stupidity on top of that. Like holy shit stupid. Mind bogglingly stupid logistics fuckup that only sounds good it you are the business equivalent of too goddamn stupid to tie your own shoes. There is no goddamn way you're going to save money by decentralizing delivery like that, never mind the issues with having to rebuild and renegotiating routes damn close to from the ground up.

I'd be pretty confident saying it's literally physically impossible. It's basically looking at that economy of scale thing that lets transport costs and whatnot be what they are when interacting with centralized distributors (e.g. grocery stores) and somehow coming to the conclusion they're shit and you're going to save money by making delivery services travel what would have to range into the tens to hundreds of miles extra per transit. If the drug cocktail exists that can lead someone to that conclusion without already being brain damaged, it would take the finances of someone like trump to afford to buy it.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 13, 2018, 11:24:35 am »
Remember: The only correct weapon to use for this fight is ad-hoc grenades made from shook up cans of warm carbonated drink.

...

Though it may net you some pretty serious charges. Thrown can of soda can break bones, and the shrapnel can't exactly make the situation better.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 13, 2018, 12:06:43 am »
Just think of all the money we save by not buying expensive alcohol. ;D
... for what it's worth, I don't think I've met many people that claim to hate teetotallers that buy much (or any) expensive alcohol to begin with. Folks with the taste for expensive stuff seem to tend to have inculcated behaviors that at least preclude admitting such an outlook.

'Course, even the cheap stuff's money you could spend on something else, but eh.

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Frumple's writing makes me happy.

Frumple, do you have a blog or something?  You should have a blog.  Or something.  Something where you just stream of consciousness ramble about whatever so I can read it.
I half heartedly tried... uh. I guess it's fifteen or better years ago? End of the day I had trouble managing anything even remotely consistent and it probably didn't last half a year or a dozen entries, and most of the whatevers that led to that have got more worse than better, heh. More consistency probably lurks in the quote/note files I've actually put stuff in something approaching regularly, but those languish on hard drives and consist more of stuff other folks write, so...

Lot of it seems to boil down to being pretty reactive, though, especially if I'm not living alone and feel free enough to babble to myself or sporadically hash out bits of varyingly depraved doggerel out loud, which I haven't for a good few years and probably won't for a good few more at best, unfortunately. Which is occasionally a bit of vague melancholy. Hopefully I'll finish abusing jingle bells into something about a dildo equipped sled one of these days.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 12, 2018, 10:58:05 pm »
Most folks seem to fairly sincerely believe the experience of being drunk is pleasant? So when someone dislikes it, the first thought is somewhere in the region of, "Well, if person doesn't like <enjoyable thing> then their view must be because a bad experience or two, otherwise enjoyable thing wouldn't be enjoyable."

You get similar responses towards folks that just don't enjoy having sex, or are fairly lukewarm towards it. I've personally seen similar trying to get the point across that I really just don't sodding like going fast in a vehicle, for reasons that have only so much to do with how much I (don't) enjoy driving.

Though there's MSH's point, too. Nonexistent gods know there's probably some other ones.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 12, 2018, 09:27:25 pm »
Branding makes you its bitch~

Actually also pretty sure it's the usual convenience tax to some degree. Honey buns are sticky, full sized muffin things crumbly, etc. Tend to notice the cheaper stuff is either much lower quality or messy, heh. Or harder to eat one handed or whatever.

They're farcical ripoffs pretty much regardless, anyway. Buck for a honey bun from the machine, buck-ish for a six-eight pack of honey buns at the dollar store or cheap-shit sweets aisle or whatever. Some days it's mildly impressive folks'll go in for a 600+ percent markup just for ease of access. Gets me too every once in a long while. Occasionally you get hella' hungry and prices less ohohogivemeyourass take more energy than you can muster to reach.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 12, 2018, 08:26:55 pm »
It's plenty possible it ain't intentional. Been more than once over the years I was poking around a class website and ended up somewhere the polite response was to go, "Yo' hoss, think you might have a problem."

Though, that said, if it's as or more complicated than, say, fiddling with the web address to see if there's a /main.html or something it's generally not actually a major problem unless someone in the class is actively sharing knowledge of the bugger up. Vast majority of folks won't bother to poke the class site or whatever enough to encounter stuff like that, heh.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 12, 2018, 07:51:15 pm »
Wait what? What are they going to do, fail everyone because of a known flaw in their computer program?
"And today, students, you're about to learn a valuable lesson about the vagaries of the workplace.

... incidentally, all but one perfectionist jackass among you failed the assignment."

E: also if something like that actually happens BF please let us know, so that we may laugh heartily at your misfortune commiserate with your situation in empathy

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Like many modern dinosaurs, at the end of the day swans are basically just feathery generally-flight-capable assholes. Perhaps there's some kind of ancestral memory no one has managed to identify that lets them remember the days their kind dominated the landscape. It causes them to lash out against the world and particularly their own species, for having fallen from their previous heights.

At times when your people fail, you blame your neighbor for not overcoming the challenge that caused it more than you do the challenge itself. The swan cannot accept that its ancestors could not stop the sky from falling and blame everyone else among their kind for it. Perhaps they even hate themselves as well... could explain a particular predilection towards being a jackass towards others that look like them.

It all makes sense, you see? All you have to do is assume the existence of an ancestral memory and aeons long history of self-recrimination and loathing.

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General Discussion / Re: KILL SIX BILLION DEMONS Discussion Thread
« on: February 11, 2018, 11:35:42 pm »
What concern does trust have for the matter of truth, eh? A truth can lead you off a cliff just as easily as a lie.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 11, 2018, 10:17:04 pm »
Eeh, judge by yourself. Boole´s house was in front of the bridge. I was working in the building around the corner. Technically it´s a different building but they´re all adjacent to each other...
technically it's a different building says you, I can't tell where the divisions are supposed to be

damn thing looks like the housing equivalent of sequentially conjoined catsplosion*

if there's no space between them it's the same building dagnabbit

Makes me remember it's been a while since I've been in a particularly urbanized area. Last good long while the only things I've seen that looked like that were shopping plazas and apartment buildings, and generally the ruddy things had the decency to have roughly the same height roof.

* Incidentally, is that moddable yet? Disease or something that physically attaches children to their birthing whatever, making a new beast with X+Y number of body parts? Maybe even able to be split apart and survive, if things go amazingly well.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 11, 2018, 09:17:05 pm »
Fuzzy logic's been around since forever, it was just a fairly-ridiculous buzz word that trended because people who didn't know better believed that programmers could only code true/false on a computer, and the idea that you could e.g. tell a computer "well this is 60% likely" seemed like a revelation to them.

In fact, the float variable has let you do "fuzzy" logic since forever. It's called a "probability". You can use probabilities like logic, but not using any "fuzzy logic" magic, just using what you learn in school about how probabilities work.
... not really. Related-ish, but not the same. Fuzzy logic didn't really have much to do with programming when it started poking about, far as I can recall. More a mathematics and/or pure logic thing.

Also "forever" is apparently the sixties or thereabouts for the term itself, 20s from the general area of multivariable logic systems. Occurs to me I never bothered to check the originating point until just now, huh.

I'd be utterly unsurprised to find someone's been abusing the term or conflating it with probability related junk, though. Which is unfortunate, if so.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 11, 2018, 09:07:20 pm »
This always makes me nostalgic for Ariele Schlesinger's feminist programming language.

Somehow, I had never heard of this. I need to send this to a couple of my old profs, I know my former adviser would get a kick out of all this.

I mean, she was kind of doomed from the start. The hardware works in boolean logic, it's the only thing it understands- so the entire endeavor needs to not only overhaul the very underpinnings of programming logic, it needs to also spark a hardware revolution.
That said, I could swear there's been something resembling progress with fuzzy (non-boolean, more or less) logic on the programming side of things in the last while. Possibly related to quantum research? Can't even remotely recall when or where I ran into it, if I'm not misremembering entirely. Fuzzy logic's pretty neat, though. Never have gotten around to looking into it as much as I've wanted to off and on.

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Not in blue, seven by two.

... though that's slightly abusing the casket dimensions I just looked up. Rhyme is more important, I guess.

Could swear I've heard something like that bit of rhyme, though. Now kinda' wish I could remember where...

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol: Russia investigation sheneinighans
« on: February 11, 2018, 06:22:51 pm »
Ever tried the Midwest? Because I've seen better than what you just described, better by far, and it was on 50-70k income. I don't know where you're pulling your numbers from, but I've seen plenty of people in that income range living in better conditions than you claim possible.
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All that said, I'm pretty sure we got a midwesterner or two around the forum that lived in lower end conditions for a while that could probably chip in, if they haven't forever abandoned the ameripol thread and don't have zero interest in the conversation regardless.

Upstate New York. Have all of the things you mentioned in the last paragraph. I'm not supporting a family myself, of course, but I grew up (in the area) on <$30k/year, with my mom still able to save a significant portion which I have slowly been convincing her to move into investments that have recently pushed her up a tax bracket (which is incredibly annoying, btw). She'd tell you herself that she never had financial problems and never even carried a credit card balance.
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