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Quote from: Frumple on February 11, 2018, 01:00:38 pm

I can personally guarantee you I pointedly didn't say it was, at least if you're referring to the last bit.

I'm talking about everything from "much below that and it stops being comfortable" on. If you meant to say "much below that and you might stop being comfortable and be a serious necessary expenditure or two from blah blah whatever, depending on your locale and spending habits", you should have.

Mate, if you're living somewhere in the US where a household, especially one with more than 3-4 people in it, can actually be comfortable with a sub 50k total annual budget, you need to tell me where this is so I can recommend people move there. You can live on it but comfortable it ain't unless you're dialing your standards down to "still pretty damn shitty". I'm living in one of the lower cost of living areas in the country (we're talking you can find places to rent in the sub 300/month range, and feed a person on less than a hundred a month without major health concern) and you're skimping on shit and one accident away from major financial problem if you're trying to support a family on something in the 40k range, never mind lower, regardless of your spending habits.

And I'm not shooting high here on comfortable. Living space without holes in it that shouldn't be there. Some sort of transportation, even if it's just bike or bus. Preferably no rampant thievery or gun fights going on in the neighborhood with anything even remotely resembling regularity. I'd say some sort of healthcare but this is low income america so let's not shoot too high, here, and at least just say there's kids and they aren't in danger of kneeling over dead (allowances made for more unusual/exotic maladies for their age range, sorry SG). Some degree of financial security so they can take at least a notable hit or two without losing the residence or car or going into lifelong debt or something. At least something they can spend on entertainment without having to balance it against missing meals, even if it's just time. Along those lines.

Yeeaah, I'm mostly finagling the finances of a household making sixty-ish thousand a year in passive income at this point, in a rural area with dirt cheap housing (and their home a homestead besides) and other costs and them largely covered by VA on healthcare. Like, yes, they're getting by decently and able to help out extended family, make the occasional money wasting decision, etc. But if they didn't have, say, that VA coverage, they'd be pretty much fucked, and there's a number of things where they're a bad turn away from shit getting pretty serious. More than one household around me have been having to raid retirement funds and whatnot to do things like replace the floor to parts of their house after it rotted to the point folks were falling through it.

All sorts of mess like that, really. That was the point I chose because from what I've seen you can get by pretty comfortably on it, but much below that and it stops being comfortable, and you're still a serious necessary expenditure or two from starting to have to consider what you're going to lose in the process. Also you're probably skimping on health checkups and healthy eating, just sayin'.

Also yeah, it's largely assuming fairly low costs of living/housing expenses/etc. Some of the higher cost areas in the country it'd probably barely be enough to convince someone to piss on you as your primary health care.

Shit like posters have been describing is why I abhore the neoliberal politicians (and their voters) around here who hold the US as something to copy in all ways. Also why I sigh and softly facepalm whenever my rich relatives keep going on about how nice it is to live in the US.

Oh, it's pretty nice if you're rich! And lucky enough not to get hit with something that will bankrupt your ass anyway, as say medical expenses have been known to do when they occasionally break the bank of someone with a six digit plus income (though, to be fair there, someone with dual citizenship and access to healthcare worth a shit cost wise back in the home country is much less likely to encounter that). Hell, if your luck stays steady getting by with a 50-70k a year household income isn't that big of a deal, so long as you don't have too many people living there (well, and you're living somewhere that doesn't have go-fuck-yourself housing costs).

It's just, y'know. Not everyone's luck stays steady, and it's real easy to be in a household making less than that 50-70k a year or having to support enough people it doesn't make the grade. Things get increasingly unpleasant as your situation starts tumbling in that direction, if it's not already there and sinking.

Idle amusements for the not rich at all: Bouncing cheap cat food off stray cats. They can get surprisingly amiable about having things ricocheted off their ears when said things are edible.

... also the general gameplay is pretty hella' different insofar as 2D fighty-platformer goes, from what I've seen. DC's a lot, uh. Faster? Than S&S. I guess it'd be something like comparing... gods, I don't know, it's been probably over a decade since I've played a 3D brawler. Devil May Cry number whatever? With something from the souls franchise. They both share some persistence mechanics and some themes gameplay wise (dodgybits, mostly) with Souls games, but DC is very much not a souls style game in terms of pacing and whatnot, whereas S&S is notably closer to one. There's a lot more than one major difference, heh.

Any case, the time vs. money thing tends to be a matter of flexibility, for lack of a better word, for me. There's points during the day you have a great deal of difficulty expending time to obtain food, which can easily be spent on free!game instead. Can make free worth time whereas even a dollar wouldn't be if for some ungodly reason you're actually trying to hardcore minmax your gaming time.

No matter how much some people like to babble about time equaling money, not all time is made equal from the standpoint of time to money efficiency, which can distort how much a price tag influences your (lack of) spending habits. Also there's totally a whole pile of other shit to deal with spending money online you can just not with free stuff! Other considerations, too. Lots of little variables and junk, basically.

... also while you can't get rid of it (actually, I'd wager non-existent money you could contact steam support and ask them to get the thing out of your library outright, though a refund almost certainly wouldn't be involved), you totally can hide games you don't want to see in your library on at least steam, and probably other platforms. Though I forget the exact button pressy things at the mo'.

Seriously, fuck antifa.

... yes, fuck the broad and largely unconnected mass of groups necessarily related by being willing and able to work against fucking fascism and little else.

Let us also say to fornication with people that wear a toupee. Best plan, I swear.

Talk to the doctor before trying to trim their toenails, I says. Make sure you know what they want done, I says.

It's just a spot of blood, they says within a day or two. Did you talk to the doctor I ask. I did exactly what a foot doctor would have done, they says.

Except, of course, get a medical professional to handle it, in an environment that's, y'know, not someone's living room. #%&€.

Fortunately it does look like there wasn't major bleeding but literally bloody hell this is exactly why I was saying what I was saying ;_;

Kludge together parts of words, actually. Probably abusing a foreign language in the process, but I'm speaking english here so that's more hobby than anything.

Foo's used as a stand in for a wildcard in some circles. Killed by foo on dungeon level bar is the classic composition, which I want to say is yet another reference to the acronym FUBAR. You could replace what I was using with *xia or something as well, if you felt like it. I've never really got around to learning the proper nomenclature or specific formulation differences between wu- or xian- or whatever so it's pretty much all a nebulous punch magic thing to me. Fooxia is shorter than punch magic, so sometimes it gets used instead

That said, fooxia's general shtick extends beyond china, if my memory's not going complete haywire again. It's pretty certainly very strong (well, to the extent it's a particularly thriving field to begin with) in china but you got it coming from other joints, too. Most of what I've personally encountered were korean, but from what I understand there's a vaguely farcically huge body of literature that's not been translated even partially into english yet so gods only know what I don't know of.

... that said, it does occur to me I don't think I've seen much of whatever it is that is coming out of india. Kinda' weird in retrospect.