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i've got some hardmode thorium materials and crafteda Dragon's Breath with it but turns out overhaul and thorium end with a strange interaction and as such the weapon is taken as throwing damage instead. i'll have to keep an eye in other weapons that work similarly.

Might be a strange interaction, might just be thorium. The mod very much adds quite a few new throwing items into the game (and not just weapons, there's new armor for it, new accessories, pretty sure a new potion/buff or two), and I think changes a few existing ones. Some of the later game stuff is bloody amazing, screen clearing with low CD and no ammo sorta' stuff. Going pure throwing is actually hella' viable, particularly once you get the desert dude in town and can cobble together the accessory that makes throwing damage replicate itself three or four times.

... incidentally, there's an... either armor set or specific throwing weapon that does %max health damage. Can't remember if it's on crit or just a % chance per hit. In any case, that replicated damage can individually trigger it. Bloody godsend for expert/hardmode bosses in thorium. Any particular projectile can lop off a few percent of a critter's max hp total, and it's possible to get the attack speed to something vaguely silly. Also no ammo! Lot of the new throwing stuff in thorium doesn't have to deal with ammo.

Quote from: Loud Whispers on October 11, 2017, 04:45:46 pm

When windows break look for window salesmen

I can't find him there's only soup

Step one for finding him: Stop making window salesmen into soup.

... is outright not listing air in there intentional, or... ?

"openly supporting the active genocide of what's rapidly approaching half the country" is clearly hysterical nonsense. That shit isn't happening. And I doubt those people in polo shirts are doing any of what you just said. Seriously, you guys are starting to sound like the Right Wing did during the Obama years. Has Trump lead to such an existential crisis that you guys are now talking as apocalyptically as the Wingnuts were?

It's literally the foundation of the beliefs claimed either explicitly by the people in question, or by people standing at their side. The explicit goal is to reach the point minority populations can be wiped out, and with stuff that's actually being talked about, not some kind of hypothetical, the folks there were either straight up behind that full throatedly or sufficiently uncaring about an end goal with everything or near everything non-white in the country in a grave they were willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with such ideology.

So, no. Active genocide of america's minority populations is either these fuckers' literal goal, or something they're willing to show solidarity with. Fortunately they've so far been suppressed enough the murder and beatings have been limited, but that shit is, in fact, what those folks were openly supporting. This ain't exactly some kind of watered down goddamn political disagreement, here, this is actually, factually, about people who are demonstrating in open support, explicitly and/or implicitly, of goddamn genocide.

Political disagreement would be over the statues, yes. But, for the Nth time, the issue vis a vis that is not the statues and the bullshit surrounding it, it's literal genocide activists and people willing to stand with them. Call it hysteria or whatever the fuck you want to think that might be something to be disapproved of pretty damn staunchly or considered to be just a titch more specific and/or substantial than nebulous political disagreement. In the meantime I'm going to call it diminishment when this specific bit of nastiness gets lumped together with general political disagreement.

@Akura: Umm...last time I checked, Columbus Day *is* a Federal holiday.

It is, but observance seems kinda' sketchy? Least for non-gov stuff. Might be some kind of exception wrote into something for leaf day. and yes I know that's the wrong spelling

Yeah. I'm fairly sure there's at least some mechanic to only trigger one of the shields if it's not fire shieldy. This is pretty easy to see if you take, say, a vine or curse shield (think there's one that curses attackers, anyway) and that eyeloss shield and advance a battle slowly, checking enemies each round. Plenty of times there'll be something entangled but not missing eyes or missing eyes but not entangled. Really want to see it in action whip out a couple of bronze (brass?) arms and throw something sufficiently tanky into a fight using quad shields.*

Now, whether it's dependent on which blocks or just randoms one when you block, I couldn't say. Don't recall if you can fiddle with the combat log whatsit to get that detailed, either.

* Incidentally, yes, I have done this relatively often. Tend to play with it if I'm late game and have more resources than I have sufficient interest in micro to spend them. It's amusing, but the whole kick problem makes it sketchy. Probably be stronger if they just didn't have an attack at all when built like that, and just walked up to the enemy and taunted them or summat.

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I think I'd have to disagree on them having better reanimations than skellymor.  Sure, an H1 being able to summon 10 size 1 ethereal paralyzing ghosts with massive morale but that aren't actually mindless is great, but the main problem Lemuria has is that most of its freespawns and reanimations simply don't do any damage.

Eh, think you underestimate things, possibly because you actually remember dispossessed spirits exist

Less tongue in cheek, it's the shadow soldiers you're after, especially the UW variants (frogs have +1 hp, tritons +8 AP). A lot of the MR resist issues become less when stuff's paralyzed, and unlike the spirits (or ghouls, for the other ermors) the shadows are actually worth a damn, heh. Workable attack, base 14 defense with dark power (incidentally, if you have deep water on the map, it's a good target for a reanimator pile. Harder to get rid of it, since any shadows waiting to get picked up get the darkness boost), actual HP even if it's still not much... they're nice. As chaff and for holding things down/fatiguing while your proper stuff kills them they're better than longdead in most cases I've seen, and for the freespawn H1s (and/or summoned ones, since the things are cheap gem wise) they're easily the best option you have.

... 'course, there's only two options, but seriously dispossessed spirits are friggin' garbage almost always, never waste turns reanimating them. You're getting the same amount of HP either way (unless you're underwater and get frogs, in which case you get more with the shadows), and the shadows are a lot better at everything else, particularly not getting hit, surviving at least a hit or two, and actually hitting things themselves, heh. You do still need the regular troops or somethin' as at least some degree of filler/dps, but it's not like that ain't true for non-ghost reanimation, too, heh.

Any case, as chaff qua chaff for reanimation about the only thing I'd think was better was specialty longdead, and I don't think there's many nations that can actually field that in meaningful numbers. 'Cept asphodel, anyway. Next time you give ghost ermor a whirl, beeline for the nearest water province, drop a lab on adjacent land, and start dumping tribunes into the water to build up shadow balls. Might have better luck, heh.

I did a test game with em and while silly, the idea of going drain 3, never researching, just spamming ethereal undead ghosts with MR 14 (screw your priests) and two buffs of your choice.

... Still not very good tbh though.

Day back, but you might have better luck with this with ghost ermor if you really want to do it. Do the same thing, but go triple-bless and spam their 0-research self-blessing mini wraith lords all over the place. Iirc a W/something or another (I want to say N?) consul can solo most indie provinces right from the start, and a handful bunched together can tear apart quite a number of armies.