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... friggin' english, I can't tell if you're joking or not at this point.

Any case, guess that means the thing's actually been released to public scrutiny? Quick search looks like it has (and maybe for a day or two), but haven't checked enough to tell if what's out is actually what's being proposed or a bit of preparatory fluffery.

E: Ah, nevermind. Have now read what appears to be it. Preparatory fluffery it is, heh. Some stuff is mentioned but most seems to be something a nebulous committee will decide on at an unspecified date.

... also yeah, what looks to be commentary that the proposed changes would disproportionately benefit the richer parts of the country's demographic looks... pretty accurate. Blatantly accurate. Painfully blatant. "Takes at most an introductory tax class and maybe two seconds of thinking" blatant. Poorer folks (i.e. most of the country's actual ruddy population) look to (mostly, maybe) get a small bit of relief, too, but goddamn.

There's some truth to the martyring thing, though. I tend to find the alt-right mildly seductive because I find it insanely frustrating that on many social issues I perceive that proponents of change will immediately dismiss anyone who disagrees as a cisgendered heterosexual white male, and therefore they should not be involved in the discussion. I'm sure this is not an overwhelming trend, just a vocal minority, but nonetheless it puts my back up and makes me want to say "look, there's nothing wrong with being a cis-het white man" and then we're on a short road to, say, #WhitePride and we can all already see where that one's going.

I don't think it necessarily goes to "gas the jews" from there at any great speed, but it's seductive. I have to try quite hard to keep an open mind when my opinion is shut down like that (again, I perceive it to be so. There is of course an implicit bias here), and I can easily see how someone could decide "you don't want my opinion? Well, fuck you too, I don't want yours. I don't want you, either".

/2 cents

Also joining the train of "I don't know if I want to post this", but at least if someone jumps on me because of my comment on perceived "oppression" I can respond with a trite "Q.E.D.".

Like. I don't really see much of that on a personal level to begin with -- largely because you can totally not be part of either of the sides mentioned (to the extent they're even remotely equal in scope when they're very, very much not) and not have perceived poor action from one push you in the direction of the other -- but... generally most folks who go fuck you too to perceived slight don't actually seem to have much trouble going fuck you just as hard to folks that are lining themselves up besides nazi flags, genocidal chanting, and literal murder (whether or not they're personally getting up to such shit). Only so much with maintaining the capacity to be fucking disgusted by shit like conservative disenfranchisement efforts, regardless of how else they align regarding other issues.

Something abhorrent doesn't really seem to have much of a seductive component regardless of what other frustrations are involved. Cause they're abhorrent, and if there's not some fuck trying to downplay or obfuscate that most people don't exactly have trouble noticing it.

So far as things go, I'd probably agree with SG on this to fair extent. What's going on more than most things is that memory has faded enough, alongside the persistent efforts of some rat goddamn bastards in our political and media systems, that people are becoming somewhat less attentive of exactly how abhorrent what those efforts have been trying to normalize are.

The martyr angle is largely bullshit. Few decades ago and it wouldn't have mattered how pissed off you were against what's generally more invented caricature than anything, chunk of the shit the alt-right peddles would have had you more likely to reach for a gun, knife, or coin roll rather than entertain to any extent. Hell, most of the time you wouldn't even have noticed that caricature to begin with, or dismissed it with barely any consideration.

Plenty of the alt-right sentiment would still have been there, but often enough even your average racist piece of shit would have pretty immediately attempted to variously literally kneecap expression of it along the lines today's particular batch of shits are inclined towards.

Unfortunately, folks started going, "Well, maybe we should let these guys speak" instead of "Get your fucking fascist shit out of our town." Now we're stuck with having to try to explain to people why they probably got problems when they're aligning themselves on a political or ideological front with groups that have genocide and/or ethnic cleansing as a political goal and downplaying things like literal fucking murder as a means.

Eeeyyuuup. Some people, the answer to that question is "yes", one way or another.

... yeah, totes honest, that's actually kinda' weird for me. Never mind historical stuff, I've seen the use occasionally in written word explicit or not more or less for the last few decades. Which is to say all of my life, discounting the parts I couldn't read and/or didn't notice some of the context. It's not common, exactly, but the word play involved is pretty straightforward most of the time. Not particularly strange as euphemism goes.

I can see it coming into popular use recently being something unusual-ish, I guess? Just not the use itself, since drink based sexual euphemisms, thirst specifically and otherwise, are just kinda' old. Older than me, older than my grandparents. Wouldn't be surprised if we eventually dig up something showing it to be older than the written word, heh.

Anything is, then when was it already was, and the how is the same way everything else is turned into one. Pretty sure longer than a couple years, though. Recall at least variations of the euphemistic use showing up in victorian erotica, so never mind a few years, junk's older than living memory :V

... any case, more seriously, probably depends on the specific usage. Off the top of my head I can think of three or four fairly vanilla ways the connection could form and at least one obvious one not so much mainstream (also, I regret nothing). If it's that one, though, yeah, it should be pretty obvious. Thirst as a lust for water and lust as a thirst for sex, probably who knows how many other formulations along that specific line.

It felt like they were more in the wierd limbo between territory and a state.

Anyways, Trump keeps dissing PR and the mayor of San Juan. Not surprised, but I don't get the point of it, there's no political advantage to doing so or anything base wise (the mayor is white and the only thing hispanic about her is her last name), only benefit would be defending his ego.

Step one: Assume his base doesn't know the mayor is white, or doesn't care when they're presiding over a bunch of american citizens what might as well be foreigners. The advantage, such as it is, becomes more visible at that point. There's certainly a segment of folks that have an opinion of PR lodged somewhere between apathy and antipathy hard enough standard trumpian pettiness is either a plus or ignorable, and PR's far enough off the coast the shit resonates with the nativists a bit. Risky to assume trump's core base knows or cares about stupid junk like who or what the president is taking a dump on that day actually is.

The second step, mind you, is to note that as you say it's attempting to defend his ego, which is about where the guy's ability to substantively consider other human beings as matters of import stops. Keeping himself from attacking whatever when he's been pricked by something or another is pretty close to beyond his ability to manage at this point, regardless of the way it looks.

No need for a "if you will" there, PR's literally a territory. Unincorporated US territory, more specifically, apparently.

And yeah, it wasn't in the best of shape before, now it's in substantially worse, and the chances of the main political body of the US doing effectively fuck all about it is somewhere in the realm of trump declaring the immediate institution of single payer healthcare and amnesty for all undocumented immigrants while liquidating all his business holdings and donating his everything material to charity. We were already kinda' sodomizing the sad bastard of a territory and nature just had its own particularly emphatic go at it. I'd bet the money I don't have there's a number of politicians and gov't admin that are just sorta' writing the place off, even more than they were previously.

True to my geographical location, I haven't really been paying much attention to it, but some of what I have noticed suggests that permanent movement from the island to the US mainland (or friggin' wherever, for that matter) is already starting to pick up even more than it had been before. Jokes about the PR nature reserve might not be so much of a joke in another few decades

... 'course, there's solid odds there's a similar future for most of those islands, not just PR and those other two or three* that last I noticed were begging for other US citizens to not forget they exist since they got worked over pretty hard themselves, but eh.

* Demonstrably enough, I've forgotten what they're called, how many of them there actually are, etc., etc. Probably feel like shit about it if I didn't already feel too much like shit to feel like shit about it.

Eyup. Long time critic of wasteful federal spending, fiscal conservative, and now former HHS head Tom Price resigns as people are yelling at him for making private plane trips (rather than much cheaper commercial ones) that've apparently cost the tax payer somewhere approaching or exceeding a million USD.

Good new slogan for GOP, I think: Be the problem in government you want there to be.