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Generally because anything systematically deeper tends to involve higher costs than they're terribly willing to pay, heh. Particularly considering what has to be spent in those cases isn't exactly just money or political capital. Extra particularly if it's in anything approaching a short time frame, because that's all that plus a massive heaping pile of uncertainty and risk.

Dunno how much I'd actually blame them for that, though. You need the folks that are going to be cashing the checks that involves (which is, y'know, the general population) behind 'em, and they're currently very much not. Sometimes behind the general sentiment involved in pushing things in one area or another, but it's pretty consistent that that support withers pretty hard when specifics are brought out.

So y'get politicians wanting to keep the system pretty steady, but move towards meeting that sentiment inside it. Clinton vs. Sanders on financial reform, last year, ferex.

Uh. Heeelllgggoooo. The right wingers gone far enough to start doin' the militia thing in the US generally want to burn the government to the ground, set fire to the country's social order, and/or shatter the USA in a bunch of little pieces. They're damn sure advocating for as much or more societal transformation than your average left wing extremist, and they're also the ones most consistently actually challenging the state's monopoly on force (again -- they're the largest single bloc of domestic terrorists, here.) amongst all its other crap.

And they tend to get shut down much more fiercely by the state.

Oh aye, there is that. That TEVUS gander I took a bit back was pretty telling in the relative difference in proportion of "unknown" category stuff (basically junk they just didn't have certain sorts of info on) between right and left wing terror incidents. Cops got left wingers on lock, comparatively, but they seem a lot less on the ball 'bout their counterparts.

Lemme try to find the thing I saw: edit: Not actually the link I saw before: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/15/charlottesville-militia-free-speech-violence They do slam the police in Charlottesville as well.

That definitely was somethin' pretty striking in the near aftermath. Lotta' conservative folks jumping to condemn the cops, tryin' to propose the genocide idolaters would have been harmless if only the cops hadn't screwed up/been sidelined by nazis.

Quite possibly the thing that's struck me as most weird bit of this whole mess, honestly. However much it's true, normally you can't get right-wing talking heads off the police force's wang with a crowbar and hitched team of buffalo. Nazi gets loose from a swastika street party and they half seem quicker to slam the cops than they are the skinheads. Louder about it, too. Usually it wouldn't matter how the hell badly the cops cocked up, that lot'd be trying to spin things to downplay it and take a dump all over whoever the non-cop parties involved were.

All sorts of uncharitable as hell things that could be said about that, but I guess it's something like heartening that even most of the right wing'll throw shade at the cops when they drop the ball, so long as nazis are involved.

Don't think so? Quick check says otherwise, anyway. More the part of the 'net that's not search indexed that also takes specialized software to access. Unless whoever was reporting on it screwed up terminology (very, very possible), it's probably not able to be accessed by a normal browser at all.

It... hasn't really seemed more fashionable, though? There's long been a pretty sizeable contingent of people that wanted confed statues or whathaveyou out of their neighborhood, and lots of folks had an opinion on 'em, it just didn't really come up often. People could and did ignore the issue.

Definitely more visible at the moment, and other events are leading to it happening more, but it's kinda' felt less like it's suddenly more popular, per se, than it's become harder to ignore or explain preservation in terms that don't come out poorly.

... also, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if nazis supporting the things and people actually noticing it for once has nudged some balances away from their previous state. Been seeing the argument much more in the last day or two that the things should be taken down (moved, wrecked, whatever) due to how certain sections of our population are using the things as symbols. Even some folks that are inclined towards the confederacy are coming out and saying they want the monuments out of the public eye if they're going to be a rallying point for nazis and people willing to stand with 'em.

Yes there are some stupid monuments, but they actively remind us of history. And not knowing your own history is bad.

... see, if you actually care about people being reminded of history? You'd want the statues like the one in durham gone, too. The damn things are attempts at historical revisionism, put in place back in the 20s-40s to take a dump on efforts by our minority/black population to obtain equal rights, end segregation, etc.

Frankly, if you wanted to properly display that bit of history to the people of the city, crumpling the ruddy thing into a pile of scrap and putting it back on the pedestal with the original inscription scratched into illegibility and a new one put in along the lines of, "In honor of the sacrifices our country's soldiers made during the civil war, and the efforts of those that followed to do the right thing where they failed." Would be the way to go. Getting rid of it/moving it to somewhere besides where it was original placed is pretty decent, too.

... your research is crap, man. Memory, too, since I'm pretty sure you've been involved with probably a dozen conversations that involved the topic. People tend to put MRA folks in the right-wing of the spectrum because the majority of the movement has been hijacked by red pill nutjobs, which either heavily lean conservative or are there to attack left wing positions (like, y'know, most everything feminism gets involved with these days). It's not an offshoot or splinter of feminism, but a generally pretty damn explicit opponent.

Reactionary is entirely accurate unless you're being intentionally obtuse and pointedly ignoring the reality of the stuff that's been trying to use that particular appellation.

Sober has higher chance of being able to reevaluate decision at later date. Probably better choice if you're unsure enough to wonder which way to go.