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Hell man, it's not like that describes current and previous media any less. Half or better of the reason the concept of going (near) full net doesn't strike me as something that actually would be a downgrade is 'cause that helterskelter shit is exactly what the news is now, and with a few exceptions that stood out more because they were exceptions than anything, has been for more than my lifetime. Same damn thing except harder to land a lasting crotch shot when they need a kick to the nethers 'cause they got more money to blow shrugging it off.

As much as it could stand to spend some time there, whatever New Media that will end up replacing it will almost certainly a downgrade. Blogs and social media are no more honest than corporate media, and far less accountable for their dishonesty, yet even now old media outlets have most of their 'journalists' do nothing but monitor social media. Quality goes down, but so do expenses. Besides, if media is full of propagandists now, just wait until everyone and their brother can get a soapbox to go with the voice the internet already provides. Best case scenario would be aggregators reposting people like @IvanSidorenko; an intelligent, well spoken person with good sources on the ground in Syria that he acquired mainly by being a Russian MoD mouthpiece. Worst case is people getting filter bubbled into a bunch of different alternate realities.

Heh. No more honest, but more immediate, easier to crosscheck much of the time (which is a hell of a thing considering how much of a PitA that is)... and no, they'd be a lot more accountable than what we have now, so far as I can tell.

News agencies haven't been accountable for shit for a long time -- when about the whole of your consequences is publishing a half-hearted retraction after the damage is done and you still get to roll in the same pile of cash, that ain't accountability, that's a farcical caricature of it. In practice they get held to an even lower standard than blogs often enough it's noticeable.

Meanwhile we're seeing what happens when the internet gets pissed and goes rabid over someone screwin' something up. Individuals and more local stuff may still be able to spin, but they got a helluva' riskier proposition in failing to. Unlike our media corps. There's downside as much as up on that front, but so far as actual accountability goes there really ain't a comparison. One you actually have a decent chance to reach out and touch hard enough someone notices. The other you ain't gon' get to do shit besides sending a letter to the editor that no one'll read.

... also I could definitely see the floodgates opening entirely on "propagandists" actually ending up a good thing. Saturation wise it can't really get much worse than it already is now, and just think on it for a second: What exactly the hell is a news agency going to do when the base of their consumers that give a damn about talking heads have direct feed to the ones they want to listen to?

They can double down or stay the course and eventually get buried by the masses anyway (and good bloody riddance), or they can finally get off their ass and be a fourth estate worth the friggin' title. Leverage the advantages pooled and structured resources with a bucketload of established connections give instead of being able to coast by on sensationalism more than anything.

We already have the damn filter bubble crap offline, anyway. It'd be easier to pop the bastards if they had less respect behind 'em and a wider spread of stuff to filter.

This might do you. It's a BB gun instead of somethin' more powerful, so you can actually hear the glass break. It wouldn't be dead on, but it might be closer.

E: Also looks like you might have luck poking around airsoft stuff. There's vids of folks shooting up a few different sorts of glass with 'em, apparently.

E2: Ah, right. What found it was a youtube search for "gun through glass -proof" sans quotes, if that'd help any.

E3: Ah ha, this may be what you're looking for. Sounds like the guy's shooting up jars or small panes, and the gunshot sound's muted enough you can definitely hear it. E4: Actually could be ceramics, now that it's sat for a might. I seem to recall breaking skeet sounding a lot like that, so... I'unno, and was having trouble telling through the video. Could just be real similar sounds, heh.

I could probably get behind that, if it came to it. Far as I'm aware most of the places in the US that ever see anything able to be called an elk doesn't really have people in it. Or elks. Canada might be a bit more peeved, mind you, but people don't pay much attention to them one way or another.

As a floridian, you may find that my willingness to sacrifice the nomenclature of an oversized deer that might as well not exist is a stance easily negotiated with.

Quote from: Frumple on August 04, 2017, 11:50:40 am

I'unno if it's worth the gulags.

Quote from: Loud Whispers on August 04, 2017, 01:20:15 pm

Sprite is lemonade

Still feel that way Frumple?

Mostly.

... maybe a little less than before. I'd probably be more willing to let it slide if the european demographic would concede jelly.

Also just so like. We're clear. American pizza isn't made with donut dough on the whole. That's like. Also considered a weird thing here. Pizza donuts. Frumples talked about this before. So I guess it's a thing for him. But it's not a super common american past time thing. It's a classic Frumple. Sounds like it could be good though.

You know. To not mislead our friends from overseas...

Thoooough, pizza bagels actually are somewhat common (or at least not particularly unusual) over here, just to throw some confusion into things. There's bread things with holes in them that get pizzabits put on 'em, there's just usually not sweet things involved, too (save to the extent pineapple or somethin' gets tossed around, anyway).

But yeah, generally donuts don't really get mixed up with pizza unless someone involved is very bored and has an excess of leftover pizza and donuts. Like, maybe the dough does, but far as I'm aware most dough-things (particularly restaurant dough-things) don't really involve many different kinds of dough, just particular ways of preparing one or two sorts.

Eh, it can work. There's tougher donuts if you're not after the softer sort, and most of its consistency et al has more to do with the cooking and the extra bits than the primary component. The dough itself for pizza isn't really the exact same sort, though, or at least the prep's different enough it's hard to think them the same.

... usually, anyway. Someone out there's probably just straight up made a pizza crust out of donuts. I've certainly put donuts on pizza, before. Was tasty.

They didn't, because thin crust is plenty prolific. We didn't get things wrong, we just got them more right :V

What, you've never heard of New York Pizza? That's like the McDonalds of Pizza, they're everywhere.

... in any case, double checking some things I'm not actually sure if I've seen that pizza chain or not. There's two different variations of New York Pizza <something> in the nearest city-ish thing, but I can't seem to tell if they're part of the chain or not.

It actually looks kinda' doubtful, since the company itself being lawed at is apparently headquartered in the netherlands and has only been around since '93 -- and I'm pretty sure one of the new york somethings in the mentioned town has been there longer than that, heh.

There also doesn't actually seem to be a chain specifically named that of note, or at all, stateside. Some variation on the name is borderline generic so far as pizza joints go over here, but I'm pretty sure most of them aren't particularly related.

When your definition of "fast food" is "food that it is served fast", then I think you've fucked up somewhere.

Not... really? Though it looked more like prepared fast than served fast, in that case. Still, quick food is pretty core to fast food, hence the term.

Ain't nothin' really stopping a fast food joint from being able to seat a buncha' folks. They just generally don't 'cause their throughput's fast enough it ain't worth having.

Don't think I've been to that particular pizza joint before (which, considering the name, isn't exactly a surprise), though. Maybe it is a source of noise and smell pollution more in line with a fast food joint than a restaurant? Some pizza places largely are, though a lotta' restaurants are worse on the latter than most fast food places, heh.