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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 04, 2017, 08:39:27 am »
What the hell do I do?
Yell increasingly loudly until you get to talk to someone besides the secretary? Maybe not actually yell, but that general area of things. If roadblock seek runaround or steamroll, more or less.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 04, 2017, 12:24:08 am »
I remember the... storybook, I think. The upside down storybook. Can't particularly recall the surrounding faffery, but it stuck a bit for one reason or another.

Also that mission accomplished thing, or whatever it was. That popped up as reaction pic style stuff for a few years, iirc. Still see it every once in a long while...

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 03, 2017, 10:37:42 pm »
Y'ain't entirely wrong, at least. Dunno how much I'd hope they'd bug biden, though. Get what you're getting at, but I'd probably be more comfortable if folks just kinda' left the guy alone, 'least until he decided to ramp things up again.

Fellow that outlives their kid could stand a year or two off, other circumstances allowing, y'know? Ain't gon' wish people mess with that if it ain't what the fellow wants.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 03, 2017, 09:10:11 pm »
Barack me Obamadeus.

... in a bit of good (?) news, it looks like the senate took measures to stop trump from making any recess appointments while they're on summer break.

The vaguely interesting bit is that it was done by scheduling nine pro-forma sessions spaced out a few days each, little generally-sub-2-minute sessions...

... the scheduling of which requires unanimous consent from the senate.

For extra fun points, in this case doing so was presided over by one of the alaskan senators... both of which are republican. Might mean things are going to get spicier between POTUS and congress, ehehe or, well, that the senate critters are getting fed up enough with his shit so far as taking a dump on their numbers that they're gearing up to start putting more than verbal condemnation behind their reaction to it

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 03, 2017, 08:08:38 pm »
I've kinda' forgot right at this moment, but I want to say it very much can? If not necessarily has to in all situations.

There's tax relief available for certain kinds of debt, and certain ways of moving debt that count as income for purposes of taxation, just off the top of my head.

Think there's a few kinds that don't have to be reported (either at all, or in a yearly sense) by the person owing the debt (whoever they're paying is a different story, mind, and a thorough investigation would be subpoenaing those records as well), too, though, and gods only know how it varies on a state level, which is very much somethin' you'd be looking at when auditing along with whatever's part of the federal's purview.

E: Or to put it another way, even if it didn't the signs of it would. So it would only remain hidden if your books are cooked ridiculously well or the investigators involved are not terribly good at their job.

E2: Though... point the second (or third, or something), it's also very much possible he could be in massive debt, but not in a way that's abnormal. There's a lot of high roller stuff that can regularly be in debt for amounts approaching their net worth; in a financial sense it's even approaching optimal for certain industries. So massive debt could be just kinda' what should be there. It would proooobably still look absolutely terrible to huge chunks of the public, though, because gods know fiscal sensibility isn't terribly high up on our electorate's competencies or sense of priorities.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 03, 2017, 02:49:59 pm »
Trump avert the cuban missile crisis? Not a chance in hell. It might still not have gone hot, but it wouldn't have been because of 'im.

But, as is constantly worth repeating, trump is not <insert former president> or <insert current leader dealing with trump>. That everything he's involved with seems rather like a pile of shit says more about him than most other things lumped in whatever it is with him.

E: In unrelated news, if you happened to want to actually hear the breakdown that got minuteman scallopboy kicked out of comms before he was actually hired, the New Yorker looks to have now released the actual recording.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 03, 2017, 11:46:05 am »
Hey, neat. Apparently some of the JFK assassination stuff got declassified/released/something-cause-I-haven't-actually-read-the-article-and-to-be-honest-probably-won't. Least looking at other folks talking about it, it seems like there's some interesting stuff in 'em.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 03, 2017, 04:53:42 am »
Maybe, but I hear it coming out of anklebiter little shits and teens often enough. More than I do out of my own age cohorts, at the absolute least.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 02, 2017, 07:41:50 pm »
... basically all of it? The whole point is to enact legislative change; the RAISE Act is a bill currently involved in going through the senate. They could try to implement the thing on a practical level without passing it, but that would be a new and incredibly stupid way to subsidize the judiciary and families of immigrants and nonimmigrants as the lawsuits started rolling in.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 02, 2017, 07:36:38 pm »
Nobody says dude anymore?

Pass me the bottle.
Nah, depends on the dialect and whatnot. It still gets used off and on in some places.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 02, 2017, 07:32:54 pm »
Well, won't get the same benefits as a citizen, can't get work, can't get any sort of public aid, presumably even if specifically directed at nonimmigrants or their families, barred from consideration if their kid isn't rich enough to cover what's mentioned...

Like, I think the most impressive fuck you in that is that the reading looks a lot like any material support the parent is able to supply for themself is ineligible for consideration so far as that section goes. If pops tries to come and stay and drops a fifty to help cover a doctor's visit, that may be a violation of the section and grounds to throw the parent out.

A lot of me hopes I'm actually misunderstanding those bits, honestly. 'Cause trying to pull fuckery like that is a good way to royally piss off anyone with the bloody least amount of familial piety, filial or otherwise.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 02, 2017, 07:03:42 pm »
That last bit sounds suspiciously like what a lot of conservatives (and likely some liberals too) decried as Amnesty. Doesn't sound like a 'merit-based immigration system' either. Trump admin is pulling words out of it's ass most likely.
What, the nonimmigrant classification thing? If that's what people call amnesty I'm not sure anyone would want it.

'Cause the bill bitsies look something like this:
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an alien who is a parent of a citizen of the United States, if the citizen is at least 21 years of age.”.
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A nonimmigrant described in section 101(a)(15)(W)—

“(A) is not authorized to be employed in the United States; and

“(B) is not eligible for any Federal, State, or local public benefit.
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“(3) Regardless of the resources of a nonimmigrant described in section 101(a)(15)(W), the United States citizen son or daughter who sponsored the nonimmigrant parent shall be responsible for the nonimmigrant’s support while the nonimmigrant resides in the United States.
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An alien is ineligible to receive a visa or to be admitted into the United States as a nonimmigrant described in section 101(a)(15)(W) unless the alien provides satisfactory proof that the United States citizen son or daughter has arranged for health insurance coverage for the alien, at no cost to the alien, during the anticipated period of the alien’s residence in the United States.”.
There's also a bidecadal check as to if yo' momma's ass gets kicked out the country, presumably on top of whatever else of similar nature is loitering around.

As far as I can tell checking sections of the INA that particular addition references, what it's trying to do is create a new class of non-immigrant that's even more shat on than most other classes of non-immigrant, for what appears to be so that the parent and their kid(s) have jack all recourse for help with medical costs. If there's anything advantageous in it compared to what already existed in the INA, I can't see it.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 02, 2017, 05:30:24 pm »
Anything in place? I see a lot of sites saying "merit-based immigration laws" but nothing with what's actually going in.
This seems to be the latest bit. Direct from the congress website. If that ain't the latest, it's at the very least the starting point propositions being put forward.

The thing specifically being aimed at, this time, is called the RAISE Act... pretty sure it was mentioned upthread a bit. Searching that may give you better results for finding somethin' more focused on specifics.

E: As near as a quick skim can parse, it could alternately be titled the "Fuck the Immigration and Nationality Act Act". The bill itself summarizes its contents as
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To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the Diversity Visa Program, to limit the President’s discretion in setting the number of refugees admitted annually to the United States, to reduce the number of family-sponsored immigrants, to create a new nonimmigrant classification for the parents of adult United States citizens, and for other purposes.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 02, 2017, 01:45:11 pm »
... hell, depending on where the cut hit, it might actually slow things down. Wrong chunks of institutional expertise get excised and the effect of the loss is more than just linear.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: August 02, 2017, 01:14:08 pm »
Other stuff, too! Kill the visa lottery, preference english speaking immigrants, bar most non-immediate family from having some extra support for joining their immigrated loved ones, some other things, buncha' junk really. And it only has to get 8 non-GOP members (or more, if some of the GOP senators say sod that) to vote for it to pass.

That sound you hear in the distance may be the sound of one pro-immigration senator or another laughing.

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