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Yeah, it would, but the SCOTUS -- while not explicitly stating it -- have been pretty clear on related subjects that they would not be terribly amused to the POTUS attempting to pardon themselves, particularly from criminal convictions.

And yeah, the alternative to a federal crime is a state crime. So far as I'm aware NY at the absolute least has a nice slate of financial laws trump and co haven't seen jail time over largely just because no one cared enough to see them hit with it. It's been pretty consistent speculation that whatever else mueller might turn up, now that the investigation is doing stuff like looking into business connections there's going to be a whole mess of that sort of shit start tumbling out. Basically, there's no guarantee a presidential pardon would be keeping anyone from ending up in front of a judge.

Though clinton pardoned or not, the bit that explicitly reached SCOTUS was settled on before anything else. Only reason it didn't go further is because of that, heh. It's very much true the constitution doesn't explicitly forbid it, but that's basically the whole and entire legal defense for it and there's a good chunk of other stuff in rather pointed disagreement.

E: Or to put it another way, from what I've seen so far it looks a lot like the legal area it's in is a lot less grey than some folks like to present it as, for whatever reason (*coughviewscough*). It is, but by and large it only is because no one's actually been stupid enough to play legal chicken with the SCOTUS on the subject, yet.

E2: Though, at the end of the day, what makes it personally seem hilariously unlikely that the judiciary would go along with a self-pardon is that it would effectively be ceding any and all judicial oversight of the POTUS, and to a large degree by extension the executive branch as a whole.

Like, to say they would is effectively trying to say they would willingly take a gigantic dump not just on the separation of powers, but explicitly on their own ability to influence the other branches of government, utterly undermining a sizable chunk of both their authority and mandate. Is there any level it actually makes sense they would do that if there's absolutely any room to avoid it, which there very much is?

You'd be wrong, heh. Presidential pardons are specifically limited to federal crimes (and just about everyone under potential fire for stuff related to that dirt is very much in the cross hairs of a lot more than federal level crimes), and an attempt at self-pardon has both never happened and is pretty sketchy from a legal perspective.

There's also some pretty substantial issues to being pardoned that makes it kinda' chancy, honestly. It's generally considered an admission of guilt, ehehe.

For what hilariously little it's worth, it's possible that advice wasn't as farcically terrible as it looks on the face of things. Moving to an area better able to support care is one of the things that can be involved with attempted treatment of that sort of thing. I don't really doubt it was given in the spirit that tweet presents, but hey.

In other news, spicer's apparently said, "Screw this, I'm done." Not that bluntly, unfortunately, but reports are saying he's resigned over the appointment of whoever the newest WH communications director-thing is. And damnit all, ninja'd by misk. Bah!

Dunno about horrible, but they've certainly never really had the smallest bit of interest to me, at the least. Stuff I look at and go, "Why would I play this instead of watching/reading a LP, not have to deal with the fiddly annoying bits, and still get effectively everything of value from the product?"

I've never had much luck getting into a normal-ish adventure game, though. One of those things where I'd rather just read a book or somethin' -- plot gets in the way of the gameplay, gameplay gets in the way of the plot, and generally the mechanics et al involved are either vaguely unpleasant and/or boring or just functionally nonexistent.

Can see why some folks like 'em, but the things by and large seriously aren't for me. Exceptions have mostly been VNs rather than more western styled stuff along those lines, that have a serious gameplay component alongside the plot-y bits. Only rough bit there is a number of the ones with good-ish gameplay are, well... without a better way of putting it, they're also porn. Which obvs doesn't bother me (save that it tends to detract from the plot and such to some degree), but there's other components involved, heh.

Fun little note about caterpillar, actually. Them and their 'nam branch are apparently one of the larger beneficiaries of the vietnam trade deal crowed about earlier this year. Not only are they outsourcing, the president straight up put his name behind getting them business in another country :V

Quote from: UrbanGiraffe on July 17, 2017, 05:05:05 pm

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State       Company         Product
Georgia     Chick Fil A     Food

lol

Heh, yeah, it kind of looks like they almost couldn't find anything for Georgia. I still think it would have made for a better and more varied argument if they went for two, maybe three, or even four, companies per state, get some local stuff on there.

I mean, yeah, having half my immediate bloodline coming from savanna fucking chick fil a being what they pick is mildly infuriating. I know the waters have been dying in that state but goddamnit some bloody fast food restaurant chain is not something that should be representing that state. Or at least make it friggin' seafood or somethin', what the hell you jackasses have you never freaking been to any place in georgia not immediately adjacent to an interstate road or airport?

... I mean, I could understand them never having been somewhere like that in georgia, considering, but still. Still!

... so inquiring minds want to know, what did you expect it to look like?