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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: July 11, 2017, 06:34:13 pm »
Eh... high quality isn't something I usually see appended to "person". Worker, admin, CEO, chef, etc., etc., etc., sure. It can get involved with a lot of person related things fairly easily. But just person actually is a bit off.  Quality is for qualities not people, heh. It's english enough, it's just not something that I've seen much of from an english dialect.

Can sorta' see why people would avoid it even... it kinda' sounds less like a complement and more like evaluating a chattel slave. You can evaluate the quality of a skillset or an object without it getting iffy but when you're evaluating a person vis a vis what their relative worth is, you start getting a little odd. High quality long pork odd.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: The Russian shoe deepens
« on: July 11, 2017, 03:49:19 pm »
Neo, I highly doubt even Microsoft has anywhere near 400 emploees dedicated to PR.  Maybe if you count customer service reps as PR.
I think you may be drastically underestimating just how many people MS employs, there, heh. They've got around 120k employed worldwide. Less than 400 would be under about a third of a percent (approx <0.33%) of their workforce. They might have less folks specifically hired as PR specialists than that (though I wouldn't bet on it), but if there's not significantly more than 400 people working PR in general for microsoft I would be very, very surprised. I'd only avoiding saying they definitely have more because I can't find something like an employment portfolio for 'em :P

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Still using upl.co as my go-to for image-y things. Thing's still just kinda' painless to use, no need for an account (Actually don't know what registering does or involves, heh), if there's expiration dates on anything I haven't noticed. So far as the major hosting sites -- photobucket, imagur, etc. -- they can frankly all go die in a fire. Some of 'em started out alright, but all of them have steadily devolved into UI and usability hell, more than one not just on the upload front.

Meanwhile upl, near as I can recall, has had the same (or near enough) front page and general UI bits since day 1, back in 2010. Consistent, lightweight, little to no bullshit, barely any service hiccups, and so on. Just one of the better image hosting sites, at the absolute least for general use.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: post-G20 Trump stuff
« on: July 09, 2017, 05:20:06 pm »
What the fuck is with Volkskrant's cartoonists? Sometimes the style is very high detail...this looks like it was drawn by a six year old, and not in a stylized way.
Fairly normal for political cartoons, innit? Things whiplash back and forth depending on a bunch of junk, some of it simple incompetence/getting the kid to draw that day's/etc.

In any case, I can only assume their cartoonists are at least happy in one sense with the trump administration. Job security may be small comfort, but it's comfort.

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I don't know why the desire to reify Iraq and Afghanistan as if they were the same war.
Didn't do that, though I did link the 'success' of the former (based upon undue optimism as to the trajectory of the incomplete action) as an encouraging factor to open up a second front against an enemy, using "they're basically all the same, and we can handle both just as efficiently as one" as the misguided but sufficiently soundbitey public justification.
Yeah... something along these lines. They were different wars, in a sense, but they were very much part of the same wave of sentiment, largely the same rhetorical basis, sent on targets that might as well have been the same so far as most of the country was concerned, overlapped a fair bit so far as the chronological aspect goes, etc., etc., etc. So far as the shit the stateside domestic (and a fair bit of the diplomatic, I guess) side of things got hit with related to them, they were functionally contiguous. Contributed to the same well of war fatigue, et al.

Only makes so much of a difference to differentiate, basically, and for most considerations of the two that aren't actually in theater military concerns, you probably have at least as good a grounds to treat them as a single thing as separate. Iraqi invasion, afgahn invasion, both part of the same segment of the "war" on terror.* Something along those lines. Kinda' like the local enforcement of the prohibition had different particulars and the work for it in cali or colorado were different things, but both were part of prohibition. If I had to mangle up a rather terrible equivalent on the spot.

* Seriously has to be a term more accurate to use there, though. The Last Major Shitkicking of the Middle East (TLMSME) or somethin'.

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So, I've gotten back into Animal Crossing: New Leaf, and I want to discuss it. There's a thread for the game in Other Games, but it's four years old. I've asked about necroing threads here before--but those were only a year or two old, tops. What do you guys think the consensus is for really old threads like these?
The consensus is the same as it ever is. If you have something at least somewhat substantiative to add, and don't feel like making/maintaining a new thread, it's fine.

Conceptually a new thread would be a better idea, most of the time, just because generally something has changed about the subject you're bumping over that much time, but often enough there hasn't or hasn't been anything big enough to warrant a new OP and a bump half-decade or not will do well enough.

Basically, don't worry about the length the thread's been dead. Stuff you want to concern yourself with is the same for a thread two months, two years, or two decades idle... though I don't think we have any that old, yet.

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Strange, when I shake my magic politics eight ball on that getting dealt with early or whatever comes of it being clean (at the start, anyway), the eight ball just laughs and laughs and laughs.

It doesn't have anything that would allow it to laugh. It also doesn't exist, and yet when I imagine shaking this hypothetical eight ball you can hear a laugh track going off in reality. Damnedest thing. Scares the hell out of the dog.

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General Discussion / Re: Culture Wars - debate and discussion
« on: July 06, 2017, 07:42:54 am »
Yes, everyone slips up and has the "wrong" opinion once in a while.

 ::)
Try reading a bit more carefully. Or at all, really. Has nothing to do with opinion, which is why I was going out of my friggin' way to avoid framing it like that, just how it's being presented. People do, in fact, occasionally use arguments that are dead on for or very much strongly resembling the ones used by proponents for stuff they're in opposition with. That there's issues with using the same argument used as support by people you're at odds with should be blatantly bloody obvious. It isn't, apparently, but it's not like that was some kind of shun-the-other bullshit.

Looking back over it, there was a reaction to you using terms as a strawmanned conservative might "as long as it can be made to sound vaguely liberal/left" which is why I'm so frustrated with being "on the same side" as these people.
Problem isn't with some kind of strawman conservative, it's with the actual bloody ones and the actual sodding rhetoric and argumentation methods they use. The reason it's a concern is because when you're spreading the same message you're spreading the same goddamn message, regardless of what you're trying to support with it. And maybe you take a second to make sure you're making the point you're intending to make instead of setting things up to make folks arguing against you have an easier time, by feeding into their talking points, their perspective on the issue, and on, and on, and on. There's meeting half way and understanding and all that shit and then there's functionally bending over for folks that are trying to fuck you and most of what you stand for, and it's damn easy to fall into doing the latter if you're not paying a particular sort of attention.

Again, this is something that was freakishly obvious in effect just a year ago, and has been SOP to attempt to inculcate for the more assholish folks involved in american political discourse for years before that. This isn't some kind of straw man from the aether bullshit, it's friggin' talk radio and might-as-well-be-bulletpoint rhetoric and junk along those lines.

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Chicago high school will require students to have college-acceptance or job offer before allowing them to graduate.
victim blaming at it's finest.

cuz it's totally the MILLENIALS fault when you can't find a job right out of high school
For what very, very little it's worth, for all there's a great deal of utterly staggering stupidity involved in that particular pants-on-head proposition it's not really victim blaming, exactly, as near as I can parse. There's an out involved in that acceptance into some of the local collages is guaranteed, and acceptance, not attendance, or anything of the nature, is what's required, ferex. Seem to recall a few other things like that, though the details are ahaha no. Something resembling the vague shape of effort to make sure there's not actual harm/blame/etc. dumped on the ones everyone with a functioning visual cortex could tell would be fucked by the policy.

Basically for all it's a really, really stupid idea like holy shit goddamn y'all need to stop raiding the cops drug stores, and I'm still mildly boggling a good handful of hours later after first hearing about it that local teachers didn't straight up lynch whoever suggested it, it's, like. Well intentioned? Not really blaming anyone so much as trying to make sure all students are getting post-graduation prep stuff instead of just the better off ones; the requirement's supposed to force the schools to devote resources to making sure the students are able to fulfill it, not punish the ones most likely to be burdened by the thing.

If you squint real damn hard you can see what they're trying to do on a conceptual level, and why someone with a great deal of brain damage might think that was a way forward. It's just holy hell how did you people look at chicago of all goddamn places and think this was going to end well? Or that it would end well ever, anywhere, under any circumstances, sweet zombie rhesus monkey god what the hell were you thinking.

... though all that said, at the absolute least it's supposed to be limited to a single city-like area, and is actually something that, so far as I'm aware, hasn't really been done (mostly because it's really, blatantly, incredibly stupid to anyone that's even been even tangentially involved with ground level education work). So, cynically/sociopathically speaking, the policy could serve as a working data point for just how badly a trainwreck implementing it is for an education system and local economy. That kind of experimentation is kinda' why US is decentralized to the extent it is, so someone can look at something, pave a road to hell, and then everyone can thereafter point to them and demand we cut funding to infernal infrastructure projects when someone proposes that particular brand of sweet goddamn at some point afterwards. And if it fucks over a generation or two of the population in the area, well hell, that's what we have welfare and freedom of movement for <insert kefka laugh here>

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General Discussion / Re: Culture Wars - debate and discussion
« on: July 05, 2017, 08:32:17 am »
I hardly think they were pouring anything over your posts, but I do kinda wonder where they were going trying to make it sound like you were coming off as supporting some sort of conservative depiction of the sjw phenomenon?

Like, really? Reelya never struck me as remotely conservative, and as a liberal myself the frustration that comes from trying to share a tent with the sjw crowd is--dare I say it--triggering my aversion to trigger warnings and the use of vaguely defined wrongs to attack "your own" side. The scare quotes are there because they're not on my side beyond an aversion to the hatefully excessive conservative shit like the trumpcare nonsense.
There's a difference between being conservative or whathaveyou, and pushing the same narratives, using the same terminology and arguments, and so on. Basically buying their formulation of how whatever the particular subject is works and spreading it. If you're talking examples last year's election was a holy fuck blatant one, with left-wing media and various babblers throwing right-wing nonsense around all over the damn place. It's not intentional support so much as making the metaphorical discussion (all dialogue culture wide, etc.) one more tolerant of that sort of stuff.

Alway in particular didn't seem to be saying ree was conservative, exactly, just that in relation the general sjw label mess ree's entirely willing to roll with conservative et al talking points, world views, and so on. Which I'd agree with fairly comfortably. Ree's definitely liberal but they're also pretty willing to present arguments and whatnot that are straight out the stateside conservative's playbook, and tends to react rather defensively if it's pointed out. Everyone slips up from time to time, though, particularly if they're often in or around communities that are indulging with regularity.

I'm well aware that it's almost entirely a liberal (or left wing, if you will) phenomenon, as shown by it's prevalence in colleges, which have a highly liberal bent. There probably are some conservatives who do that kind of stuff and conservatives aren't innocent in indulging in identity politics, but the great majority are certainly left wing ideologically.
ChairmanP ninja'd it, but no, it's not even remotely particularly liberal inclined. I'd actually say it's the exact opposite, that conservatives in general in the US are notably more pervasive about indulging in identity politics and related stuff. They just don't call it that and throw a massive shitfit if someone pegs their junk as what it is, and rather than being prevalent (to the extent that it actually is, which usually kinda' isn't) in occasional colleges it swallows entire towns, counties, states...

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That's been kinda' a theme with the sideline stuff regarding the ACA, really. GOP was trying to drum up signs of a massive problem with the thing since before day 1, and failing. Persistently and cross country. Every once in a bit there's that one critter that got screwed over or left out because of stuff related to it (particularly if you're in one of the jackass states regarding program expansion), but generally folks that have actually ran into much related to the stuff the ACA did have came out in pretty good shape. Especially relative to the before times, heh.

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Other Games / Re: Dominions 4: Thrones of Ascension
« on: July 03, 2017, 12:54:01 pm »
Eh, jotun and the bat critters are (or can be) pretty heavy blood, too. Arguably better than abysia vis a vis blood in particular, given their outside cap blood mages are either much cheaper (xia, vaet hags, though the former is terrain locked) or better in general  (skratti), and far, far more likely to have blood even in the worst case scenario (hags, which are 1 in 4 vs 1 in 40 or so). Abys has potentially higher blood out-of-box commanders, but the other two have a much, much easier time getting hunters and overall massing up blood casters. I wouldn't be a happy abyssia trying to out blood either of them if their player was particularly decent at using sabbaths, heh.

Van can manage it if you're feeling frisky. Mict can still get into blood if you feel like being insistent if you take a B5 or so pretender -- they still have access to their national summons. Same with ash and bandar. Seems to be about it for MA, though, if the neither the inspector nor me are missing something.

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Other Games / Re: SALES Thread: SUMMER SALES 2017 STICKERS GALORE
« on: July 03, 2017, 12:26:49 pm »
I don't like hours played as a measure of review.
Which is why it'd be per review (as in, total number of hours across every user tracked, not just those reviewing) or along those lines, not total hours invested by the userbase or whatev'. It's not supposed to be a metric of anything resembling worth, just looking for outliers on a user/playing scale, or (in the case of the word count thing) individual investment in review. Things with abnormal stats on stuff like that. It would indeed spit out passive stuff or things folks leave on in the background for whatever reason or any number of other things that mean little, but... that's fine. You'd just be using it to check for oddities, after which you can filter for your own preferences.

Basically, it'd be neat to see if the amount of time the userbase as a whole plays before someone reviews, or the amount of (lazily measured) effort any particular reviewer is putting into their spiel, is out of whack (either way, mind you) for whatever reason. If you're already doing stuff like the mentioned article did, not much reason save the effort to not plug in a bunch of other variables and see what pops out, y'know?

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For what fairness exists, the montana thing was probably largely because the attack happened after most of the votes were already locked in, rather than it not causing a lot of antipathy.

That said, what hector posited as likely reaction to things boiling over into actual physical attacks on journalists is also exactly what a great deal of the reaction was. For a lot of people on that "not actually physically violence what are you talking about" side of things, they're real damn untroubled when it happens. And for all FTFE may be a sentiment I'm thoroughly behind at this point, that's going a damn sight too far.

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Other Games / Re: Angband v4.1.0/Angband.live
« on: July 02, 2017, 09:33:55 pm »
Only *band I can recall playing much of in the last few years was steamband, heh. Maybe ToME 2 or furyband, a bit, and one or two of some of the heng/entro line. Did look at Sil at some point since it was released, but it didn't really hook me for whatever reason.

There was a point I had played as near as I could tell literally every *band variant that was existent at the time for at least a little (up to and including ones that were outright not in english, the only thing I'm particularly able to read), but somewhen after that I realized I really just kinda' don't like the core mechanics most foobands work off of.

Flat out never enjoyed playing vanilla, though. Not when I first found it and the *bands that spawned from it, not after I had sunk dozens (maybe hundreds, really) of hours into playing variants, at no point after I had started playing the things less. Plenty of respect to give for the effort involved and what it managed to inspire but blegh, actually playing the thing, no, no thanks. Even when I first encountered it, it was, well. Vanilla. Well put together and whatnot but gods alive as bland and uninteresting a set of fantasy setting and mechanics gets without approaching outright shovelware, even considering the tolkien influence. Can't blame someone for enjoying it or some crap like that but keep it away from me, eesh.

E: Though, that said, from what I recall the latest ones might at least be somewhat less samey so far as dungeon layout and such goes. Not nearly on the level of at least a half dozen of the variants, but improved from the days of nothing but featureless terrain and the occasional vault that was effectively nothing but featureless terrain with certain creatures and/or a bunch of loot in it.

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