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I gotta admit, I cannot well up within me even a drop of outrage on behalf of the banking system, no matter how hard I try.

May want to check up on the specifics of it, then, 'cause for all bank fraud is what's being looked into, it wasn't particularly the bank involved that got fucked by it.

Sanders, though... 2020 comes around and he does try running again, how I'd react depends a lot on what happens when that senate term runs out. If what I expect to happen, does, and he tries to primary as a dem again (though how and why the hell the DNC would roll with that a second time) afterwards, I'd be doing what I could to get my half broke body off its ass and help whatever's campaigning against 'im. There's a fair few folks I'd take him over, but that's about as far as it goes.

Someone else of a similar inclination might get me more on board, though. I ain't got much problem with most of what sanders was peddling and I can deal with a splash of populist if it gets things going, but sanders himself is something I got ire for at this point. It ain't Clinton Derangement Syndrome tier by a country mile but I'd really rather the more rowdy leftward folks just find somebody else.

Not really though. It makes massive cuts to medicaid in the very long term beyond the CBO's 10 year study period and restructures it in a way that basically will destroy the system over the long term. Rather than the current system which pays as much as is necessary, the senate bill set a fixed cap on year over year payment growth which is lower than the current growth rate.

Well sure, but wasn't that in the first two, too? Or at least the one that got past the house. Could have sworn the medicaid crippling was there from the start, though.

Legal ramifications shouldn't be too hard so long as you issue a birth certificate to each new copy. If you're married, the first version of you stays married and the second does not. If you don't like that, maybe you should have thought about it before creating another human being who is you.

Maybe, but then you hit the census problem. Great heaps of civil administration would become an antediluvian bureaucratic nightmare of the sort that makes lifelong civil servants curl up in a corner and cry blood in the face of a thousand pages of the exact same name, all differentiated basically by a birthday (or, in some cases, maybe even a birth time, when several show up on the same day) and nothing else. Your greatest obstacle when it comes to implementing the methods that creates the copies would be the engineers and scientists that made it possible getting murdered by the local notary public. Even the less involved of such folks would be after blood and viscera.

... and I'm not entirely sure how much I'm joking. Because seriously, you'd need something in place to deal with that just like you would the legal issues if -- never mind the ethical or metaphysical or similar such thing aspect -- the logistics side of things wasn't going to become an example of existential sisyphean horror for anyone having to deal with it.

Sorta'. If you actually can replicate matter cheaply, you can take some time to figure out how to cook up self-sustaining planetoids and/or ways to expand the effective size of a planet, or all sorts of far easier things before those. If you can make more matter you can probably make more usable space, even if you have to outright stuff the junk into the void, first.

Trouble with multiple copies would probably be primarily legal, though, imo. Like, if copy #58 trips headfirst into a hypothetical cocaine brier patch and comes out so high they start murdering people, are the rest of you liable to some degree, or what? If your 500th incarnation commits manslaughter, and they're actually you, then, well...

... problem being if it didn't work like some kind of unholy mutual liability monstrosity the effects on census taking would probably be hilarious and terrible. "Oh, yes, yes, I live here. And every other residence within five blocks, a couple high rises over in the Philippines, that one arctic outpost I've been manning for a few years on a lark, um... shit, let me just go get the current list." *returns with a book as thick as they are tall and wide enough to host a game of twister on* All sorts of stuff like that. We could manage it, but it would take those multiple copies and who knows how many years to sort out all the issues involved.

On the bright side, legal recognition of polyamory and its variations would find it a lot easier to slide itself in there at some point. In the face of half a hundred literal copies of a person fighting over ownership rights and trying to figure out if someone married to a copy of themselves can file jointly or not, something like that would no longer be so much of a headache relative to everything else it wouldn't be worth it. More like babby's first clone legislation exercise, something to whet the teeth and multiinstance cooperative legal research practices on.

E: Basically, I'm not sure it would actually be a joke to say much of the legal community would be willing to murder all of everyone's copies just to keep the legal implications from being something they have to deal with. And not, like, procedural disintegration or somethin'. I'm talking straight up Mr. Green with candlestick in kitchen type stuff.

What, you took issue with the nets, and not with giving every police department drones which they'll inevitably arm? :V Like that part goes without saying, they *would* arm them.

Well sure. I doubt stopping the drone swarm is even possible -- and may even not be desired in another 30 or 40 years, depending on how target recognition and response software develops -- but keeping some kind of control over what's on the things is more viable.

We've mostly kept cops from arming helicopters, after all, so far as I can recall. More or less stopped them from actually sticking/keeping (much) mounted heavy weaponry on military surplus vehicles. Same principle.

If we can keep the drones as hard locked as possible to least lethal, instead of less, it'd be a better results than anything else that involves armed drones, which'll be hell and a half to outright squelch.

... y'know, for all I've seen the usage plenty over the years, and observed historical revisionism used in its place, this is the first time I've ever seen negationism. Not just first time used that way, but first time period. Spellcheck on this browser doesn't even recognize it as a word. Been through college level history courses, been through friggin' philosophy of history classes, not exactly unexposed to history-y people doing history-y things, but never heard or seen anyone use the term before these last few posts.

... I mean, I guess it shows he's at least capable of making mouth sound equivalents displaying a recognition that collusion is a negative thing? Or is he actually praising clinton or somethin'? Just stringing words together so when people notice the obvious he can say he didn't say he was colluding with russia when he kinda' blatantly insinuated he was? Bets as to if it's another twitter post that ends up in a court opinion?

Also have to wonder if that one got vetted by the lawmonkeys or not, heh.

Like to think so, yes. You can see what transcript is public regarding the incident exactly when it happened, far as I'm aware Or at least that's what copy and paste picked up from the first source I could find again.

They didn't react to aggressive action, the guy shot a dude trying to comply with orders even as his fellow cop (and everyone else there) said the driver wasn't pulling a gun, breaking with any number of standard practices when dealing with a traffic stop and declared CW in the process. Like, yeah, I'd really like to think I'd be able to avoid doing that, or at least turn in my badge long before I reached the point of it becoming even remotely likely.

Aye, born in lies to spread them, heh. Last I checked, even with trump, most of the world has a fairly decent opinion of the US. Other countries like us more than we like our congressfolk

... which is damning with faint praise, to be fair. Still fairly true, though. For all we shit all over everything with annoying regularity, the good stuff isn't really ignored. At least by people. Maybe not so much the bloody news (FTFE) and crap.