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Eh, wouldn't entirely disagree. Note again, though, unless my memory is going seriously haywire the justification being primarily used was that we actually had american forces in theater -- supposedly in attacking that group we're not official allies with, they were also effectively dropping bombs on or really close to some stuff that was outright ours. Which is ostensibly why the plane was shot down.

Now, how much of any of that is true? Hell if I know.

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We doooo... they're just mostly bad ones :V

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I'd imagine some degree of hilarity, and not in the funny ha ha sense.

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Iirc, the technical excuse was something about american assets in the region being bombed, despite attempts to get them to stop. Not necessarily hit, but in danger of it if the attack continued.

... that said, it did just hit me there's some kind of terrifying irony to the US using that to claim attacks should have been stopped, when we're apparently pretty okay with (at the absolute least our allies) bombing hospitals and whatnot because there's terrorists or whatever inside. We're pretty clearly on board with wrecking otherwise allied or unaffiliated entities if it hits something we want hit, heh.

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... wait, did we get another one? Or was it just the same one from, like... a day or three ago or somethin'.

E: Because, all other things aside, including basic decency and a sense of ethics, I need three before this becomes enemy action, I get to call this a no-fly zone, and then laugh and laugh and laugh.

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Rooting out corruption from DC in particular and the government in general.

E: With a side of the not-strictly-governmental political establishment, too, I guess.

E2: Theoretically, anyway. Basically the premise the term was stumped on, regardless as to if the people that stumped on it are actually attempting to do it, heh.

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Draining the swamp?

I wonder if anything will come of this. A year ago I'd say probably not, but we live in interesting times here in the current year. In any case, it's caused a pretty big stir.
Ah... did you actually read the wapo link that guy cited and then proceeded to functionally lie about the contents of? 'Cause checking the sources (linked and, in the case of comey, direct from his testimony) and what they say versus what that guy's saying, that looks a lot more like swamp than an attempt to drain it.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: June 23, 2017, 09:55:44 pm »
Huh. I had forgotten that feeling when you stumble upon something stuffed in a notes thing and can't tell if it's something you wrote or something you were quoting. I remember it, now.
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Point to me a perfect country and I will provide you a mirror so that you may see a fool.

Can't remember context, if there was any. Can't entirely tell if it's actually something I wrote. But the internet seems to think that particular ordering of words does not exist (well, at least until I post this), soooo...

E: Oh, neat. Looks like the descriptor "neoplatonic poon-tang plundering" also didn't exist. How long as it been since I last looked through this part of these things...

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Other Games / Re: Why did you buy DLC? (Poll)
« on: June 23, 2017, 08:59:24 pm »
Eh... mostly bundles/complete editions, almost always because of a sale ("it was cheap" is able to be folded into that, really). Next notch down is probably due to mods, if that first isn't applicable. There being something interesting fan made that requires a DLC is one of the easier ways to talk me into getting it. Though that said, most of the times I've done that were about as applicable to the base game itself, never mind the DLC. Civ 4 springs easily to mind, there -- I honestly kinda' straight up hate playing the base civ games (I... don't think I've ever actually started a vanilla Civ 4 game, despite probably having at least a couple of days of game play in raw hours), but stuff like Masters of Mana can get me to sink some hours into the thing, and when I got my hands on it, it was specifically for stuff that needed DLC to run.

... last is appreciation. Not because I don't appreciate stuff or want to give them money, but just because the way I play/purchase -- my comps have been consistently shitty enough I'm usually at least three or four years behind current releases. Usually by the time I get to the point I can actually play something, development's stopped and I'm getting the thing in a bundle with all the DLC I care about :P

Though yeah, that also pretty comfortably nixes season passes. Never had one, probably never will. By the time I get around to something, the pass usually ain't doing anything anymore, heh.

So far as the completionist thing goes, eh. It's not my cup of tea (never mind games, I've started book series two or three books in often enough it's not surprising), but I have family that collects memorabilia so it's not like the mindset's foreign or somethin'. Just not somethin' you'd get me to go out of my way to spend money on.

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General Discussion / Re: This is not okay.
« on: June 23, 2017, 12:13:34 pm »
For what it's worth, it might not have been a person. Mother cats can and will abandon most or all of their litter, from time to time, and sometimes just get killed by something while away from them for one reason or another. Abandonment is pretty likely, but a human doing it or it being done intentionally is a decent amount less so.

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I think what conservatives want is a free-market type of healthcare, with lots of specialist offices competing for customers which would result in better (and possibly cheaper) care. The obvious problems with this is the people who can't afford anything.
They certainly claim to... while pointedly and insistently refusing to acknowledge that (most kinds of, at the absolute least) healthcare doesn't work like a normal market, and that the signals it sends trend pretty strongly towards resulting in the exact opposite of cheaper or better, much less both, particularly outside of a relatively very small fraction of said market.

The obvious problem with it is a significantly larger one than the people that can't afford it -- a normal market can adjust to that without much difficulty, to one extent or another. It's that a free market setup is fundamentally anti-optimal (or whatever the blazes is below suboptimal on the sliding scale of optimality) for the services the market in question deals with. When you apply a free market to health care, what you're going to get out of it is not cheaper, or better, or more available, but rather the opposite as consumers are more or less literally incapable of sending the signals that would inform the market to be any of those... because for a great deal of said services, trying to means you're dead, or crippled, or otherwise rapidly moving outside the market entirely, one way or another.

E: Though, all that said, regardless of whatever conservative intelligentsia and ideologues argue on the subject, we now have clear examples of what conservative politicians are trying to do, and it damn sure ain't trying to break healthcare into a free market. Looks a good lot more like "give tax breaks to rich people, to hell with the rest of you."

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Key demographic for the GOP period, more like. Unfortunately, saying it's a sticking point suggests the GOP in congress, senate or house, has enough moral fiber for anything to stick in it, much less have a substantiative instead of merely vocal problem with fucking over their single biggest demographic (on top of every goddamn body in the country save maybe some of the richest of us in the short term) and putting a torpedo into the core constituency of a number of their folks next up for reelection.

Not a suggestion I'm entirely comfortable entertaining, frankly. Or that enough of that noted demographic will actually admit they fucked up voting for the shits, even as it literally causes them to die. If the media bubble bullshit doesn't mean they're not even aware of the problems with the bill to begin with, anyway.

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Really rather not bring lynchings back into public norms, tbh. That said... shit keeps up during the age of ubiquitous cameras, and people are going to start thinking they have no recourse with the state. More than they already do.

... and when enough folks stop seeing the monopoly on force as legitimate, that's gon' be when things start getting nasty (again).

At least for the time being, hopefully the civil suits are en route and about to tear the guy and his (former) precinct a new asshole. Bar for wrongful death's a fair bit lower than it is for murder or manslaughter. It ain't much, 'specially to the family or the community involved, but it's something.

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Whee. Good news everybody, it turns out what we were saying earlier was wrong, and that voter roll information was changed, but they caught that and fixed it in time for the election, doubleplus pinky swear we totally got it this time!

Though it does look like that article cites unnamed officials so 2c and all. Still. "Fun" how that seems to keep escalating every time it hits the news again.

ps if you happen to be in illinois and didn't already notice you might want to do some personal info updating just saying

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: June 22, 2017, 02:14:21 pm »
Sorting out a bit of the tag replacement stuff. Five year sticker whatsits for trailers. Three trailers in yard. Only two plates between them. I think I know of one more, but that still leaves one mystery trailer and at least one missing plate to stick the sticker on.

... apparently I've been making a notable mistake in thinking the people handling this stuff actually still knew what they were doing. Bleh.

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