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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« on: June 12, 2017, 11:26:21 pm »
Heh. Let's just say I can't see many situations where four full years of trump would leave an opposition base particularly broken. Argumentative and possibly liable to fall apart after he's gone, but on the subject of getting rid of him and quite possibly many of the people that supported him...

There'd have to be some pretty hard 180s in how he's been going about business. While I have no doubt he can flip promises on a dime, what he actually does I'd be rather less confident expressing that about. It'd be rather odd after all these years for him to deviate behavior all that much, and he hasn't been showing many signs of intending to -- and it ain't a pattern of behaviors that ingratiates people even the least critical of his actions. Rather the opposite.

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General Discussion / Re: The small random questions thread [Flat-nosed pigdogs]
« on: June 12, 2017, 10:29:39 pm »
... quite a lot of people would disagree, there. Also not quite sure how you'd call the starting bit an insult. Caricature, sure, but they're arguments spurious enough to stand it. But a'ight.

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General Discussion / Re: The small random questions thread [Flat-nosed pigdogs]
« on: June 12, 2017, 10:03:43 pm »
Oh, so far as evo stuff goes it's always good to remember that any one explanation is almost certainly wrong. Not that we can actually tell very often. Major behavior patterns usually tend to look like they benefit a handful of things rather than one specific thing. Evolution is very messy, intent is not involved, and things like to piggyback on other things. Lots of variables involved. Someone tells you it's just X, you probably need to pick up Y and Z and bludgeon them until the stupid falls out. Metaphorically. Probably.

Though yeah, there's alternate explanations with relationship forming and maintaining and keeping health up/aggression down for non-dominate members and so on and so forth. There's lots of explanations. It could actually be because it put homosexual members closer to a certain plant in their locality (different plants for different places!) that happened to make it more likely for their genetic kin to breed, for some ungodly reason. Checking (with longer lived species like us in particular) is pretty close to impossible, at the moment.

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General Discussion / Re: The small random questions thread [Flat-nosed pigdogs]
« on: June 12, 2017, 10:00:24 pm »
Oh aye, I'm entirely aware it's a figure of speech and probably little to no more. Just curious if anyone's actually checked. It seems like something a bored statistician or economist or somethin' would poke at on a lazy afternoon.

Alcohol sales, though, I'm pretty sure have been mapped to a few things. I can't remember what, and I'm entirely too out of it to feel like looking it up, but fairly sure it's happened.

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General Discussion / Re: The small random questions thread [Flat-nosed pigdogs]
« on: June 12, 2017, 09:52:09 pm »
Heh. One of my parent's closest friends was gay. Used to drive me to school pretty often. One of my closer friends came out after they got out of this hellhole (though there, I didn't actually know until that point, ha). Roomed with a couple bi and one gay folk at different points in college (not intentionally, even, just random assignment). Goes on like that for a lil'bit, though memory's getting fuzzy at this point so eh. Like said, it's actually kinda' weird in retrospect considering, for example, the (one) kid that I'm not even sure was gay, just fairly flamboyant, got his arm broke for it at one point during our high school years. As might be completely unsurprising, there weren't exactly many people coming out from that age group around where I've mostly been stuck. Or any age group, for that matter. At least I can't recall anyone being murdered in the very immediate vicinity (most of the more urban areas nearby, now...). There's worse places in the states.

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General Discussion / Re: The small random questions thread [Flat-nosed pigdogs]
« on: June 12, 2017, 09:11:18 pm »
... though at least in my own experience, there's not actually terribly many that are particularly obvious. Part of that is just the area I'm in because holy shit you really do not want to come out around here, but I've been around folks from other joints or around places it was more accepted, and it was still... not common. Not necessarily uncommon, per se, and not like some kind of stigma among applicable communities or social groups (... save occasionally where, y'know, overt signaling has better than normal odds of seeing people hospitalized), but not common. Most homosexual folks I've met were just folks that happened to be homosexual. Now, depictions are lopsided as holy hell goddamn, but if it's even particularly close to that on the actual ground I've certainly not noticed. Probably certain areas or specific locations where there's significant divergence from that, and it's totes possible I've just been missing stuff 'cause for all in retrospect I run into 'em perhaps weirdly often for folks in this area I'm not the most terribly social person in the world, but as a general thing... not really?

Otherwise red's mostly on point so far as I'm aware. Probably chunks missing, though. Actual lgbt folks would have a better view, obviously enough.

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General Discussion / Re: The small random questions thread [Flat-nosed pigdogs]
« on: June 12, 2017, 07:45:13 pm »
... anyone happen to know if someone out there has actually taken the time to map popcorn consumption and/or sales rates to political events? We always hear "I'm going to need more popcorn", but I keep forgetting to remember to check if someone has actually taken the time to find out if we actually do.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« on: June 12, 2017, 07:01:39 pm »
Quote from: Ispil on June 12, 2017, 06:56:40 pm
No man is that stupid. Not even Trump.
It's not likely, exactly, but... are you really sure you want to say that with certainty? Because if he still thinks that congress won't do anything with teeth if he does, he might not think it's stupid. After all, how stupid can it be if you can get away with it?
Quote from: Playergamer on June 12, 2017, 06:45:49 pm
even the second version of "unbiased" there would be fine. nobody from fox is going to start seeing infowars in a great light.
Eh, wouldn't exactly matter if they were held in a great light. Even just giving a platform or the legitimacy of argument pushes around the idea that, hey, this thing actually has something worth listening to, impactful enough even <Insert Preferred Media Outlet> thinks it needs to be rebutted. That must mean there's something to it, right? And even if most folks ultimately come to conclusion there isn't, that's still going to be that many do, and exposure to the surrounding ideas to the rest, which even if they still don't agree with, makes the exposure more significant. More likely to be seen as something unsurprising. Normal.

... which is what it looks like when legitimacy is creeping into the public conscious, ahableh

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« on: June 12, 2017, 06:23:51 pm »
I'unno, which working definition of unbiased are we talking, here? Because actually unbiased isn't just going be challenging some views, they're probably going to be spending more time calling bullshit than talking to the guy. And then there's that thing people call unbiased where you give someone's views about a hundred times more credence than they actually have earned and let them cheerfully stroll along lying not just out of their own arse, but virtual asses conjured from the aether as well... which is what most people call "giving them legitimacy." Stuff's kinda' orthogonal to white house access, really. Or rather there's a couple different working meanings to the term, I guess.

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General Discussion / Re: Religion discussion.
« on: June 12, 2017, 06:00:25 pm »
Eeeehhh... not really axiomatic. More epistemologically empty. Bit of difference, though amusingly enough they could easily look like the same thing.

Also totes on board with telemurder, so long as the teleportation is actually convenient. If it works but takes twice as long as it would take to just walk, and has barely any vertical movement and can't get through walls and whatnot, it's teleportation but it's pretty shitty teleportation, y'know?

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« on: June 12, 2017, 04:49:32 pm »
Quote from: Strife26 on June 12, 2017, 04:41:36 pm
The losing side claiming the election is illegitimate isn't a particularly rare occurrence, and doesn't seem to be any more democracy destroying than various other general threats.
... yeah, but there's claiming and then there's 3/4ths of the electorate not showing up, some significant amount basically out of spite or to intentionally undermine the vote, y'know?

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General Discussion / Re: Paid Mods -- People Want Them Now???
« on: June 12, 2017, 02:59:05 pm »
... hasn't this thread had this conversation before? Like, I've got a headache right now and am feeling a little muzzy, but I could swear we've actually had chunks of the last few posts repeated verbatim somewhere upthread. If so, please stop making me doubt my perception of time on top of the visual fidelity ;_;

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General Discussion / Re: The small random questions thread [Flat-nosed pigdogs]
« on: June 12, 2017, 01:08:24 pm »
@Brainbug: Probably worth noting it's nicely on the bad argument side since, near as I'm aware, what we've been able to parse about homosexuality on that front is that it's a pretty likely to be a feature, not a bug. It's a fair bit of a guess, in practice (as just about everything conjecturing about evolutionary history), but the argument that having a subset of non-reproducing members that still are otherwise functional is beneficial to a gene pool isn't a difficult one to sell by any means, and that's not exactly the only argument in favor, there.

... but yeah, generally, while there may have been good arguments against in the past (sorta', barely -- mostly related to disease, potential physical complications of the acts involved all still applicable to hetero relationships, mind, if with different degrees of incidence, and reproduction which was always a poor one, considering homosexuals aren't sterile, just uninterested), conditions today aren't conditions of the past save in very few locations where you seriously have bigger problems, and the concerns those arguments attempted to address are non-concerns at this point, if attended appropriately. Medical knowledge and material/chemical science beat the specter of Sodom below the point it mattered years ago.

E: And now take a moment of contemplation to anthropomorphize those, put them in lucha masks, and set them loose in a ring.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« on: June 12, 2017, 12:06:36 pm »
Oh hey, didn't notice if this was mentioned earlier. Apparently the craven shits in the GOP senate lineup have decided (no clue about that particular site, mind, but it shouldn't be difficult to find others if you care to) they feel like trying to bypass most of the traditional scrutiny congressional bills pass through, for their health care disaster bill.

Because nothing says good faith and strong policy like avoiding every ounce of attention and disclosure possible, of course.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: Comey testifies in front of Congress
« on: June 12, 2017, 10:57:16 am »
Aye. It's a good point, but I'd definitely note that, perhaps (probably?) unfortunately, the boycott is likely going to functionally delegitimize the vote even if the numbers are actually in statehood's favor regardless, if properly analyzed. Kinda' sketchy when looked at that way, honestly. Opponents of full statehood haven't so much won the vote as short-circuited appraisal of it. Kinda' spits on our electoral systems, y'know?

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