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Or maybe, at least. You don't need an RNG so much as an auto-roller that checks again every day, with some amount of chance to also check when any news report hits the anything. Smaller again, but still there, whenever trump makes or receives a tweet. There'd be a fairly hefty list of conditionals, really...

Of course it's possible, slu. Hell, I've been trying to mostly make that exact point, and so was scriver to a fair extent. That doesn't change that the same message is being spread, regardless of intent, which is where both of us are also coming from.

Some messed up degree of the problem we've had with that crap lately stateside is in part specifically that people have been borrowing or rolling with supremacist/anti-government/etc. messaging and wording, and by extension working towards normalizing it or allowing such groups to push their agendas significantly less hindered. It's probably why it's been more noticeable to me, personally, lately, though gods know how long that'll last.

And nah smj, pretty sure the asshole here is the supremacists et al, not actually directed at folks talking.

I wonder if theres just different experiences here, what with Sweden having problems with their muslim immigrants and the US, not so much.

And I'm with Frumple here. Scrivner, he really isn't labelling you as something bad, just warning that you're falling into the same rhetoric that you likely really wouldn't otherwise say.

It's possible? Good chunk of the reason it's easily identifiable for me is I've spent entirely too much bloody time around racists, and they hammer that sort of rhetoric just as hard as the groups already mentioned.

I would, but I'm kinda' explicitly talking about something else

Siding with the women who do not want be oppressed by Islam is not supremacist or imperialist, it's taking a stand for basic human rights.

In context of this discussion I don't give the least of shits, scrive. My point is that you were spreading rhetoric that is straight up identical to supremacist messaging. I'm not talking, or particularly caring, about the whys and wherefores, just the what/how. If you're talking useful idiot for those groups -- and you were -- then you were acting as much or more a one than those you were coming down on. And shit, that's okay. It happens. You were at the least ostensibly trying to warn people that their messaging could be helping people they appear to very much disagree with. This is the same thing.

On top of it, though... you didn't come in talking about siding with women. You used them as a justification, but your point was against islam first and foremost, and freaking opened with a statement dehumanizing its members and claiming they are not worth support. Then warning against the invading foreigner (one who will do foul things to your women, by extension) coming to infiltrate society.

Again. That is straight up, very, very literally, the sort of rhetoric supremacists and people wanting to justify imperialist actions use. I'm not going to say it's intentional (honestly, it looks more to be an issue of you happening to be around that sort of thing a lot, and it infecting your talking points, which is rather common), and it's entirely possible you actually are more concerned about the oppressed than you are convincing people a massive demographic is subhuman, but your rhetoric was outright spreading the same message and tone used by supremacists and imperialists and their ilk. If you're going to warn people about doing that, you might want to not do the same in the process, y'know?

And sure, feminist messaging can fall into the same trap. It just usually has a slightly different focus (i.e. gender role nonsense first, causes second), or avoids that mess outright while still presenting support for people getting screwed over.

... scrive, that you seem to think that muslims aren't among those that islam oppresses says more than a little. Talking about the religion as some kind of monolith adds to it, too, really.

And holy shit, decrying someone as being useful idiots for supremacist and imperialist ideology in that face of that? Shitting on muslims as a whole for the actions of a few of them is exactly the message supremacist and imperialist ideology is banging like a bloody drum. Talking about useful idiots when you're outright espousing the creed you're haranguing them over is just what.

Pretty sure you are misreading the hell out of EH, too, but I won't try to clarify for 'em. But bloody hell, were you even able to type that with a straight face?

No need to be sorry, just be to just be. Or something.

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and in political news, tomorrow may be hella' interesting. Headline: DC + Maryland claiming they're going to file suit against trump on monday, alleging breach of constitutional contract via continuing business entanglements.

... you say that with a hell of a lot more certainty than it warrants, methinks. I'd be doubtful there's much of a moral level the GOP would recoil at, at this point, particularly if it primarily impacted people not actually on our soil. And yeah, it wouldn't be the first time we indulged in shenanigans of that nature.

_{Though if you're talking moral level of iran, you might want to check who trump was working with in baku. Fun times, that.}

On a tangential (but arguably more relevant to topic) note, did anyone else notice the comment "I didn’t say that, and there’d be nothing wrong if I did say it."? I thought that was hilarious. Donald Trump really needs to put out a tell-all after this called "If I did it, here's how it happened: The Presidential Sequel"

Oh aye, I did. I don't think that's nearly the only hilarious thing of that sort that's been coming out in the wake of comey, though.

E: And yeah, a book like that would be great. You could filch the copyright for a charity organization or fifty and sell the book to business courses as an all-in-one "What not to do." reference guide.