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Yeah, most of the votes were already in. That said, day-of votes also lean notably towards R voters, with others more likely to vote ahead of time, so there actually is a chance it loses the bugger the election at the last minute. If nothing else, it's caused some local papers and whatnot to withdraw endorsements and tell their readers to vote for someone else.

Unfortunately montana doesn't allow you to change your vote, so anyone that did vote for the guy beforehand is stuck with it, now. Half curious to see what would happen if he got through, but got the misdemeanor charge and a judge unwilling to consider probation. Think it's been a while since we had one of those positions start out with the elected candidate in jail for the first six months or so.

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(I think the meaning was "it is unusual to be repeated", as in that uncommon slips happen not infrequently. But, once the issue has been acknowledged, it is rare that such slips become common by repetition. I think.)
The meaning was relative to smj's usage, actually. It was an intentional misuse, highlighting that previous responses are not a good measure for future ones. Every new test of patience is another disruption of the status quo, not a normalization of bad behavior. There was never really acceptance or something of the sort, just a pool of tolerance that had a limit, each repetition draining it further or stressing its ability to refill.

Trump's influence is probably less being an acceptable target, per se, and more being so goddamn incompetent he's incapable of soothing feathers directly or by proxy. His own inclination towards insecurity and ongoing destruction of american diplomatic capability probably doesn't particularly help on the subject, either.

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Well, trump, the severity of the damage, the general state of the world and the UK in particular, and so on. To whatever extent it happened in the past, the UK is probably more prickly about it today and for this specific incident regardless of who's at the head of the country. Not that having someone who was worth a single shit wouldn't have helped avoid aggravating that, heh.

Though repeated incidents always makes things unusual, for what that's worth. People don't exactly tend to get less annoyed with someone that keeps inflicting the same bad behavior on 'em.

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That's subjective. People have lived in much simpler ways than we do now and been as happy – or more so, modern rates of depression are pretty high and highest in first world countries.
See, people say that, but there's basically no heuristic you can actually use where it's not better closer to the present, on the net and usually for specific individuals, too. Un/under developed land or somethin' would be close to it, but on a personal level that's questionable -- even if more existed on the whole, the ability to experience it was less, by sheer dint of available transportation and safety measures. You'd be closer with low population density or whathaveyou, but it's still possible to live out in some empty non-place, and you're in a hell of a lot better position to survive it. Maybe pervasiveness of bigotry or xenophobia, or monoculturalism, racial homogeneity, whatever, but hell, you can still go find communities where that's ubiquitous and live there, too, and finding an alternative if you get tired of it is quite a lot less trouble.

Even the modern depression rate thing is a red herring; we're physically incapable of knowing what the historical rates were, so if it's actually worse, or if there was some other unusually prevalent mental disorder, is functionally a complete unknown. We can make guesses, and track changes since we've started collecting the applicable information to an extent it's worth a damn, but the infrastructure and capability for tracking pre-modern mental disorders literally didn't exist at the time, and we don't have time machines to apply ours to the past, just left overs of the time we give our best at figuring out. And the symptoms certainly existed, prevalent enough they can be seen in historical documents and whatnot.

Meanwhile, take your pick. Any pick. Everything verifiable loses out, every level of medicine, every level of infrastructure, transport, communication, material goods, capability to find and interact with immaterial ones, whatever you care to care about, you're better off in modern times.* Everything not -- stuff like the mentioned societal incidence of depression -- the best we can manage is either inconclusive, or pointing strongly to things being better in the present by one measure or another, if only in capability to actually measure the issue. We either still have it, whatever it is, got rid of it if negative, or we've improved on it. There is vanishingly few areas where that's not true, to the point I can't actually think of any off the top of my head that isn't functionally writing fiction when describing the state of things in the past, save maybe the state of environmental degradation (and hell, with that, we're still better able to actually do something about degrading environments, even if we don't particularly choose to). It was easier to die, be permanently crippled, or otherwise have your life ruined. That's about it.

If it's subjective, then it was worse on every subjective level anyway and the difference is pretty much irrelevant. You could live back then and be happy, sure. People can be happy in a lot of situations. That doesn't mean those times weren't shit, or at the absolute least shittier.

*Which isn't to say things can't get bad, or that individual nightmares in the present can't match those of the past, or some nonsense like that, but the chances are less, capability to avoid more, and so on into nausea, in almost every incidence under the sun, even in the worst parts of the present world. The closest to having it worse these days is we're actually more capable of noticing all the nasty crap that happens, rather than it happening and no one finding out until an archaeologist digs up your bones a few hundred years later.

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Apparently! My head hurts enough I don't actually feel like digging to find out exactly how they managed it, but somehow they took an average savings of around 6k per insurance plan lost, found the million people that were costing about six times that, and decided to rewrite the thing to keep that specific million on government dosh. Like, even if you were completely uncaring about the number of uninsured and just trying to reduce it for PR purposes, you'd still be writing out the ones that saved you the least, first. For some ungodly reason the writers of Healthcare Trainwreck Mk 2 decided to do the reverse. They more or less took something approaching the worst possible outcome for the variables involved and decided to go with it.

Currently, I just don't understand how the blue hell you can be incompetent enough to manage this feat. You'd think a response would be, "By being a congressional republican", but they've literally topped themselves. In a handful of months, after years of potential planning, they managed to become worse at constructing a healthcare proposal, when the previous was something that looked more like a disaster than a policy outline.

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The Congressional Budget Office released its score on the revised AHCA. By 2026, it is projected that 23 million more Americans will be uninsured, compared to the current law. Premiums are expected to increase for the old and the poor, while higher-income Americans will see a reduction in premiums. The original version, the one that never made it to a vote, would have increased the uninsured population by 24 million people over the same period, so it's technically an improvement over their previous proposal.

Remember that the House passed this resolution nearly three weeks ago, without waiting for the CBO to score it.
You missed the best part. The previous one was projected to save (for a certain sense of the word) the gov't 150 billion over a decade, along with that 24 million more uninsured (and who knows how many others less insured). This one has that 23 million uninsured over that period, but it also has a savings projection of, get this, 113 billion. They somehow managed to write up a healthcare proposal less efficient than the original train wreck, with barely any gain for it. It's almost impressive, in a pretty morbid way.

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I will live 24/7 in that stupid fire spotting hut you have, Mr BLM guy-- and I will gladly tell you all about any fires I see, and will perform forestry services for you without delay. In exchange, I want you to never demand taxes out of me, and I want you to otherwise leave me alone.
Or they could just pay you a bit, and you use that to pay the taxes. Functionally the same thing as having you perform service to stay on the land. You could actually manage that with a fair degree of probability, really, iirc. There's occasionally job openings for live-in type park rangers and whatnot. Folks make a life out of living in fairly shitty conditions mostly detached from civilization, even these days.

Pretty sure there's other places you could have a go at that, too, though. Just tend to be in areas where you'd be a bit more likely to be shot by non-government people instead of evicted by the folks claiming charge.
Maybe I'm off here but didn't we largely un-desertify much of the sw US with the hoover dam?  We can just do that, build dams everywhere!  No need to relocate if there are no more deserts!

Being partially facetious here, but surely that isn't the only place in the world where that can work.
Heh. It's amusing, but there's plenty of places that just won't work, iirc. Takes a lot more than that to get back farm converted rainforest after it finishes becoming unusable for growing most things of note, ferex.

If we globally decided that sustainably supporting as many humans as possible was what we wanted to attain, and put resources towards accordingly, we could support a very much larger population than even the most extreme forecasts for peak human population numbers. Capitalism, of course, has simply decided we should be using those resources to build billionaires bigger yachts.
Well, and some chunk of us smaller people things like climate controlled houses and computers and whatnot. Non-septic water, stuff like that. We can certainly keep a lot more people alive than our current population, but I'm not sure how much of a point there would be after a certain extent. Bloody everybody would be miserable, and if we wanted that we could just bomb the major population centers, wreck civilization, and call it a species. Lot faster, roughly the same results save it being inflicted on a lot less people.

As a side note, being facetious like that is really  pretty silly. How many people do you think actually live in deserts? Off the top of my head, it's mostly in parts of Australia, the southwestern US, and some people around the Sahara who were actually doing fine for centuries without air conditioning. People who would be displaced are a drop in the bucket compared to the population problem, but are disproportionately important in resource consumption.
... fine in the sense of staying alive, anyway. Somewhat. You can survive in a desert or a swamp, often fairly indefinitely for a small enough group, but life is frankly kinda' shit. We'd really kinda' like things to not go to shit on top of the whole staying alive thing.

Though that said, the statement wasn't aimed at people in deserts, methinks, but people in tropical (and otherwise extreme) zones that takes artificial heating/cooling to be particularly comfortable in. Which is somewhat more than a few people. Approaching half the human species more, heh, though plenty of that is in the less intense parts of the regions. Can survive in those places without the stuff, but there ain't any degree of dress or lifestyle change that can match an AC in those kinds of environments... unless you go underground, I guess.

Aside from all the above, will say I get pretty twitchy when people start talking about plans that end up getting rid of cooling et al for places like this hellswamp. Ain't no amount of dress or schedule change would have kept me alive through florida weather. Bloody genetics screwed me over. Kinda' rather you just shoot me than make me suffer first, y'know? Moving'd do alright, too, though. Some places on this planet that are just kinda' unpleasant to live in without some technological assistance, and the bar for that starts a lot lower than desert. Better to just gtfo and go somewhere less troublesome.

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Eh, the question being addressed by that sort of thing isn't "is" but "will be", generally. More people, will be becomes isn't all that much faster, less people, more time to use those resources to push things that much further back. We've got water issues coming in the near-ish future, desertification and related issues continuing to continue, so on and so forth. More folks we have, the worse those problems are going to be and the faster they're going to ramp up.

Murder et al is just kinda' stupid, though. Be better off with sterilization and/or just plain ol' social incentives, and making sure things are set up to prevent encouraging large families (i.e. make sure the kids cost a crap ton). And yeah, I'd have zero problem with that hitting m'self, but I'm also a pretty poor example that has absolutely zero intention of having kids to begin with.

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Poking around the budget thing a bit... was hoping to figure out exactly how those percents mentioned above were coming about. Instead ended up noticing the administration justifications for individual cuts. It's rather profoundly obvious whoever wrote those has either never even remotely attempted state or local level fund-raising, or specifically intends to fuck ground level america across the board. Or both, of course.

... though yeah, to all appearances, even if the raw amount cut is less for most red states, the impact of those cuts would still probably hit them significantly harder. Seems like better than half the cuts in that mess are specifically intended to sodomize your average rural and/or poor community, and give urban ones a good kick in the reproductive organs, too. Thank fornication the chances of it going through in a form even remotely resembling that train wreck are basically zero, but if it did we'd have to invent a new word for a combination of schadenfreude and horror, because that thing is the GOP disemboweling its electorate (and the rest of us) out of spite and sheer stupidity.

E: Though it did just hit me how weird it is to be complaining about duplicate or near duplicate federal organizations. Businesses form subordinate and shell companies all the bloody time, for what amounts to exactly the same reasons -- splitting off resources and investments to cover a specific issue or set of issues so that they can be treated with more focus than they would manage if it were having to be juggled as part of the normal business organization and fund management, or to have a part of the company deal with a specific issue from a specific angle, while other parts or a parent company still addresses the concern from a more general perspective. And making things easier from a taxation/bookkeeping perspective, o'course. Certainly there can be wastage or inefficiency or whathaveyou, but the general effect of that sort of thing is, like... the exact opposite.

Get that it's probably just more GOP/anti-government hypocrisy/grotesque ignorance of organizational management/how-business-actually-works, but it's still just kinda' off, now that I actually notice the dissonance.

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... out of curiosity, has there been much comment on who they intend to sell to? Also according to that wiki article the whole shebang's only worth about 43 billion USD at recent-ish prices. It's like maybe 2-3 months of imports worth of oil. Half that at whatever price you can manage to get out of trying to offload a few hundred thousand barrels of oil is... not exactly going to be much, by US federal budget standpoints. Not entirely sure that could even offset a percent of our current budget... actually, checking, it looks like about a half a percent, if you assume the net cash from the sales came out to around 20 billion. Can't exactly say I'm sure that would open up all that much for cuts and spending.

Though I guess like many things trump, the proposal is just both stupid and ineffective. This is kinda' not even like robbing Peter to pay Paul, but stealing Peter's handkerchief and claiming wearing it as a hat is going to finance armies.

E: Maybe if you're a time traveling Helen of Troy wearing nothing but the handkerchief as a hat? I don't think we exactly have ship launchers heading our procurement efforts, though.

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Welcome to the wonderful world of society, it ain't anything to feel personally offended from, or to predict the looming end of the Presidency or American experiment in general like the Left enjoys these days.
I'm pretty sure I'm fairly in line to be kinda' pissed off over something that's happened to two of the POTUS elections I've lived through, moreso when my vote was one of the ones that got screwed over. This particular bit of irritation has nothing to do with the political currents and everything to do with getting just a titch fed up of folks trying to stick the american public with the blame for "voting for this". No, we bloody well didn't. A lot of us did, but on the net we didn't, and folks can kindly stop lumping the rest of us in with those that did.

Not sure where you're getting looming end of the presidency or whatever from, though. Ain't like the problem on this specific front is the office itself or whatever. Just part of the election process that by some strange coincidence favored the same side of the political arena twice in fairly rapid succession, the first time to a fairly significant detriment and the second by all appearances trying to cheerfully ramp its way up to being worse.

... also, people feeling strongly about something is kinda' exactly how the political currents shift. Like, that's literally what most of politics is about so far as the electorate goes.

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Other Games / Re: Dominions 4: Thrones of Ascension
« on: May 23, 2017, 03:10:19 pm »
MA C'tis has the assassins, right? Yeah, yeah, cap only but basically everything else except a mini-SC chassis/non-caster leader isn't, now that I check. I'm not saying half your workforce for a good chunk of the game can be skelliespam assassins, but half your workforce for a good chunk of the game can be skelliespam assassins. Don't even need the amulet, they're native 1D1N.

Can't recall if anything's been changed to do much bud nipping for that particular bit of nastiness, at least.

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Bastard political system giving the exact results that the rules of the election system are supposed to give. *shakes fist*
Man, I hear yah, that EC system put in place, in part, to keep a malignant populist out of the POTUS seat sure is working like it's supposed to.

In the mean time, it's still an entirely damn accurate thing to object to people saying we voted for this. Even if the system is working by design, it's a design put in place, intentioned to work as it has or not, specifically to strip the deciding power away from the voters.

Saying this shit is what the GOP wants is fair, saying it's what less than half of the folks that voted desires is fair, saying it's what the people voted for is bullshit and should be remembered as such. Vote's been shat on enough from on high, no bloody reason to take it from the side, too.
Pretending it's some personal failing of his, that he's some sort of aberration, is completely ignoring the room full of elephants that intentionally put someone like him in power at the FCC. He's as replaceable as a fast food worker, and if he didn't believe the malarkey he does, it would merely be some other name with all of us in precisely the same place. This is the Republican agenda implemented; point that out and campain on that, so that in the future there is some hope of these decisions being reversed and things actually get fixed.
Aberration, no, personal failing, hell the bloody yes. And noting that has sod all to do with throwing shade at the jackasses that put him there. Though pointing out that his bullshit is bullshit is pointing out that's the republican agenda implemented, as well as the sort of people they choose to do so. Bastard that can be replaced is still a bastard, and it speaks of the character of those that put them there just fine.

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The majority of those of us that voted in the applicable election didn't vote republican, and otherwise wouldn't be dealing with this head of the FCC. Plenty of reason to get personal, methinks.

I hope it was clear that, when I referred to Dr. Singer as an independent and respectable source, I was speaking with as much irony as it is possible to fit into a single sentence. That reference that was linked to in Ajit's statement consists of, at present, about three paragraphs explaining how the good doctor excludes certain data which don't fit the narrative he is trying to push.
Ah. Nah, wasn't terribly clear, but I wasn't following all the links, either, so it's probably more on my end than yours. Still, now it's more explicit, I guess :V

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Barely even noticed the doc, though .pdfs and this computer are annoying enough to work with I also dun wanna' read it, heh, particularly with a headache trying to form. Still, the quoted bit is actually the opposite; it's pretty clearly trying to claim that stifling smaller companies is hurting the ground level consumer.

... that said, from that second quoted bit, I can't help but find your second one to be incredibly telling. The measure of a title II failure is capital expenditures among the big 12. Not quality of networks or access, not actual effectiveness of investment, not ground level customer costs or infrastructure saturation.

And nevermind that first bit, now it's bothered me to actually read the statement and jesus hell fuck that guy. I mean, that was my previous assessment as well, but this just hammers that shit in. His measure is capital expenditure shit for the big businesses (and note, apparently even that was part bullshit; casual checking shows the amount quoted was drops from only eight of the 12, with the other third not seeing the effect, and it looks pretty likely at least a good chunk of it is easily attributable to things that aren't title 2) and "letters" from 150 mostly unnamed small businesses, and specifically from their CEOs and chairmen and whatnot for what names are mentioned, with not a single goddamn thing said about anything else or any other figures, save one mention of potentially counting investment amounts incorrectly as a blanket dismissal of findings contrary to the bullshit he's spewing. From that he's pulling junk out of his ass about that being something like a bloody end of the market for ground level consumers, and crap along those lines.

I still haven't gotten around to looking into who owns Ajit Pai's ass, but that is a man who is bought and paid for by something, and it damn sure ain't something whose interests are aligned with the general public... and quite possibly not aligned with a lot of the 'net related business, either.

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... all that said, a little checking into singer shows that independent that guy ain't. He has significant business connections with all sorts of high level members of the industry, and apparently (and unsurprisingly, given some of the clients he works with) is someone commonly called up to support an anti-neutrality position, among other things. Little blurb you had actually says that a fair bit, now that I read it closer. That's not an independent source, it's one of the upper ends of the industry's pocketed experts.

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