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Oddly enough, re: NATO spending, the subject kinda' bothered me so I just went and checked. The 2% thing was agreed upon in 2006, near as I can tell in either prague or riga, though I still can't seem to find the official text about the damn thing. Closest I've found is this, in part 26 -- which says sod all about % of GDP, and specifies than the goal is to see an increase, or at least a halt or reduction in decline, in real spending -- and a quick check of the raw dollar amounts indeed shows that most member stats have been holding steady, increasing to some degree, or only somewhat declined since at least '09, with another check suggesting it's about the same from '06 to '08.

In any case, it was not a minimum contribution agreement, or anything of the sort. It was an agreement to be trying to reach that amount, guideline to a path forward, etc., so forth, so on. There was no substantiative commitment or penalties involved, it's not part of the NATO charter (in at least the sense of an exact amount being specified), and though I've already lost where I saw it, something else related to the agreement openly acknowledges that countries are going to fail to reach the goal.

Basically, while I'd easily agree that a more equal contribution is a desired goal and something I'd personally like to see just so the US has less of a reason to stick its dick into everything, this apparent insistence in holding NATO to a goal that both isn't solid, isn't penalized, and as near as I can tell actually being met sufficiently for both the spirit and word of the agreement in question (particularly in relation to how the economic situation has been between '06 and now), is sketchy as all hell, and to a large extent (from what I've seen checking over a few of the news articles/summations/etc. trying to find the goddamn legalese) being badly misrepresented in its nature.

If someone can actually find the original agreement, and maybe any amendments et al that have popped up since '06, it'd be nice if they could share. Right now this is reeking of trump/conservative media spouting bullshit and the rest of the news taking up on it without checking what the hell was actually involved in that referenced amount.

E: Link was borked. Should be working now, but if not, look for the 2006 riga official text. If the 26 doesn't show up, give it a search for "decline", should get you right where the spending bit was at.

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Other Games / Re: Cogmind (sci-fi robot-themed roguelike) - ALPHA RELEASED
« on: February 20, 2017, 12:04:25 pm »
... though, mind you, having parts of your game that are effectively outreach to folks not quite so enamored to that part of RL design, or ones that are but occasionally want a romp more than a fight, is... fine. Good, even, a fair bit of why ToME has been as popular as it has been, or what makes starward rogue as oddly accessible as it manages to be despite integrating both bullet hell and roguelike design. Neither of them really block off content (SR to a small extent), but they change how critters work as things ramp up. SR probably does it more elegantly (rather than really upping enemy power directly, per se, it changes behavior and bullet patterns), but its format arguably allows for that a lot more easily than stuff more inclined in the direction of your standard turn-based RL stuff.

Just don't make folks have to play through the easier stuff to get to the other ones and you're good*. So long as it's not mandatory having the option there degrades nothing (save available coding time, anyway, heh).

Still, I'd definitely say that if it's possible, having harder difficulties make enemies behave differently rather than have it lock content off would be great. It usually sucks pretty hard for folks that either don't won't or can't manage harder stuff but still enjoy exploration and whatnot to have stuff stuck behind a difficulty spike wall.

*Which is probably one point where T4 screws up a bit, but it's silly easy to unlock stuff with that via text editor so it's not that big of a deal.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 20, 2017, 09:58:37 am »
There's this short fiction thing called Deathworlders that I was linked a few days ago. Basically humans are scary as fuck because everyone else in the universe evolved on pansy ass garden worlds. Cool premise and all that, seriously. Too bad the author/s are complete and utter hacks who wrote it into the ground and then some by, oh, the tenth chapter or so.
For what it's worth, there's a light/web novel thing with a similar premise. Earth's basically hell so far as things from other dimensions go, so when earth born/raised critters get brought in to other places they're effectively borderline gods. English translation of the title is "Moon-led Journey Across Another World". I'unno if it's necessarily better written than what you're talking about, but if it's as bad it's almost certainly bad in very different ways, heh.

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Pretty sure it's an actual war crime. Not all of 'em's as visceral as some of the more obvious stuff. Term tends to be used to talk about things like mass murder of civilians or particularly heinous methods of killing and all that, but it's broader from a practical angle.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: February 20, 2017, 07:33:08 am »
Mm... fair point. I half keep forgetting the things exist, even when I'm in the process of using one. Kindle in my hands but it still doesn't entirely register other people have stuff like that, too.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 19, 2017, 10:33:21 pm »
That feeling when less than a day is all it takes for someone to set a dog's leash training back at least four or five days. Thing was getting better, trying to pull itself away from the holder less, starting to figure out keeping pace a bit, picking up on minor verbal and physical/gesture cues, all the various rot that starts coming in as they get used to the desired behavior patterns. And now it's pretty much all gone, because someone else apparently doesn't give a single shit about having a dog that's not going to get itself killed.

Hell, I can't even really blame them, cause they're old, the animal was sprung on us without warning, and the ruddy thing's approaching about as poor a match for old people as possible,* but good gods I had forgotten how rapidly and obviously someone breaking consistency during the initial learning period fucks said period up, particularly when the animal itself is not in terribly good shape and seems to have a previous history of unaddressed bad behavior.

*Unfixed male, almost utterly untrained (the closest it comes is a shoddy job of house breaking and that's it.), high strung/fairly energetic breed that gives every indication of coming from a pretty bad environment, itself dumped on us with zero previous exposure, the list just goes on. This is something that should be in the house of someone learning how to handle rescue dogs or some shit, not two geriatrics and someone in as poor a situation health wise as me. No one here has the energy or consistency needed for this thing.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 19, 2017, 08:36:55 pm »
Well yes, putting it to sleep is a common euphemism for killing the animal, 'least in this part of the US. If it was intentional, it wouldn't exactly be surprising, heh. Chunk of that show was filmed in florida... I've actually been to one of the places they did some of the filming at before, though I completely forget exactly where it was at this point.

E: Though it did just hit me that hearing the name of that show in 2017 is probably a WTF in itself. Nevermind other people, I'm half surprised I remember it existed...

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: February 19, 2017, 07:56:54 pm »
... for what it's worth, there's probably somewhere nearby you can get a CRT for very cheap, possibly even free. They're certainly not nearly as nice, and a complete bastard weight wise, comparatively, but pretty sure most computers are still compatible with them and they do work, if you need something to tide you over until better financial times. I spent probably... six to twelve-ish months with a CRT monitor plugged into a dead screen laptop a few years back. It was a thing.

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Oh and just in: The deputy press sec. said that Trump was referring to rising crime, which pretty much matches the speculation.
Which is kinda odd, now that I look at it. Far as I can tell even with population increases, the immigration stuff, and pretty massive changes to reporting and procedure and whatnot, overall crime is lower than it was a decade ago, and still either going down, holding steady, or barely increasing for most individual sorts of crime. If they're an example of rising crime I think there's a few places in the U.S. that the bloody air will shank you if you try to drive through. And not metaphor, literally picking up knives and stabbing people. Air to knife to eyeball, no hands involved except the ones flailing around trying to make the murderous atmosphere stop putting unhealthy holes in you.

... that said, blatant ignorance of crime statistics is kinda' par for the course for politicians in general and conservative ones in particular. Crime is always going up even when it's going down, so far as most of that lot's concerned.

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I may have misinterpreted Silverthrone, but I believe with that metaphor he was referring to the serious issues (not least of which is a huge spike in sexual assaults and rapes) in Sweden caused by immigrants and refugees.
Nah, pretty sure it was just somewhat hyperbolic reference to all the sex related shit in trump's history. Having a sex offender's record doesn't necessarily involve actual conviction. E: Or not. Eh.

Though speech wise... good gods. Actually skimmed over/read one or two of the recent speeches. Tighter grip nothing, the man's incoherent better than half the time at this point. Paragraphs worth of verbal diarrhea that are as nonsensical as they are empty of anything but the most shallow of platitudes. Guy either needs to hire better speech writers or just hire them at all.

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@ Ree: You brought it up trying to play off substantiative differences in conservative vs. liberal excesses as oppression olympics, specifically in relation to how much more sizable and impactful for the former tends to be. If you're not yelling at someone in particular you were making a pretty good attempt at it regardless.

... also they're not promising to fix things for one sub-demographic. I'm not even sure where the hell you're getting that from. Suicide research and prevention efforts are almost always general things, not gender specific, and to the extent there's a female lean it's because they're trying to kill themselves a lot more. Ninja'd a bit, but eh. Though the edit whackamole seems to be starting again and what that's addressing isn't there anymore, so alright, you've found my silver bullet, I quit, have fun.

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But it's that attitude. Any problem that specifically seems to affect men: "haven't we already done enough". Well clearly not, if one group is disproportionately suffering some outcome.
Except it's not even remotely "haven't we already done enough". People, especially those left-inclined ones you seem to be railing about, have been pushing for better mental health resources for basically forever, usually as part of a general campaign to improve health care on the whole. That includes suicide prevention and what's related to it both for men who are more likely to succeed if they try and less likely to try, and women who are less likely to succeed but more likely to try.

If you're trying to say that men need more efforts directed to them to reduce success rates, despite the fact that the actual problems causing the attempts (i.e. what mental health can help with, what political efforts can realistically address, and so on) is less prevalent with them, well, guess what? Firearm control is part of the general platforms the folks you're yelling at tend to lean towards. So is support for increased funding for mental health care. So is support for men to actually fucking use the resources we have available. So is cultural attempts to drag men towards social practices that help mitigate the issue (such as talking to people about their problems, acknowledging emotions, and all that rot). And on, and on, and on.

Also being in a public news journal means close to jack all when it comes to psych research, particularly when it's a subject where specific attention outside of what we already have isn't really needed. You don't need explanatory research, we already have the goddamn explanation. Of course public awareness is going to be low, it is for suicide in general. And so on. There's not some kind of damn mystery going on here.

Also that first one is the one you already linked to. And I already addressed. The statistic is sensational bullshit, we know exactly what's causing boys and young men to take their lives -- same as everyone else, with the addition of a handful of cultural issues (we're aware and working on it!) -- and little effort is made to understand the trend because it takes basically no effort to understand it. And hey, the second one repeats the same goddamn statistic. How someone spends twenty years on suicide research and fucks that up I have no idea. Hopefully it was just the PhD not paying attention.

All that said, there actually is a handful of suicide prevention programs in the US directed specifically towards majority male demographics. It's just mostly focused on veterans and military (and even that has been about seven different kinds of fight and continues to be complete friggin' misery to keep going and getting better) because the conservative side of our culture is fucked up (when it comes to psych issues in particular) and has been fighting tooth and nail to do everything they can to make health care -- particularly mental health care -- worse and the cultural issues leading to higher rates of success that much stronger. You can expect that to get worse still over the next few years :-\

Seriously though, do you really not realize you're yelling at just about the only people in this country trying to address the problem you're going off about? Or that fixing the general problem will largely address the specific one? That the culture problems are in fact ones that are trying to be softened? All that mess? To a massive extent there's not specific measures needed or existent because every freaking thing that could be done on that front is already being done, either as part of the general efforts against suicide or from efforts related to other cultural issues.

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So yes, young men are committing suicide because they believe they live in a world where nobody actually cares about their problems, and that's backed up by the fact that not one researcher could be bothered to working out why they kill themselves in such high numbers. Unless they can attach some trendy issue to it, apparently.

<snip>happens to be the gender most prone to suicide, at a time in life when people are still growing and working out social boundaries.
No. Like, I don't really care about the rest of this discussion, but this is shit that needs to stop being repeated. We know exactly why young men kill themselves 3-4x times more often than women in the US: It's because of suicide method. Researchers have not only bothered to work out why, it was bloody goddamn obvious so far as psych stats go. Young women still attempt to kill themselves significantly more than young men (it's still around 3x, near as I can tell). Men aren't even remotely more prone to suicide, college age or not, they're just more likely to use a gun or hang themselves to try and that generates a lot more corpses even when it's not used as often.

Beyond that, seriously, no, we actually know and have known for a while most of what the hell causes suicide in both genders, why males are both more likely to die and less likely to seek help, and all that rot. This isn't some kind of weird junk that's being left by the roadside because it's not trendy or some kind of bullshit like that, it's you expressing a profound ignorance of research related to suicide.

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its because its not a real religion but folk tradition that's been forcibly centralized.
... doesn't that describe most religions in human history? Shanghaied folk tradition is, well. Tradition. For religions, heh.

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Other Games / Re: Caves of Qud: Now in Open Beta
« on: February 19, 2017, 06:27:17 am »
Yeah, I have trouble convincing myself to go pure physical or mental, mutation wise, though it's easier with physical. At the absolute least two headed is both cheap and freakishly helpful for anything using mental mutations, heh. CD reduction and an extra +3 ego? Yesplease.

Though huh, could have sworn port hit bottom at 10. Might have been because I've always been using it with the extra head? That's... still not really a problem, though. Even that base of 14 has pretty much zero problem building up +2 or so ego bonus from somewhere. Could probably even go a point or two lower, heh. 14 would only need two +all levels to hit it, if you have two headed and that second face. Honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, it kinda' seems like ego may just be the easiest stat in the game to buff...

All that said, a pure mental critter would still be pretty capable of doing stalkers without much trouble (if your AV and health is decent-ish, you don't even particularly need to phase), and could use injectors to cover the lack of phase if for whatever reason you wanted pyramid faces. actually, pyramid heads are about the only reliable source of 8s I've noticed, so...

E: Heh. Doing the beguile/dominate thing (also picked up two-headed, teleport, and teleport other, with hooks to offset the cost). Accident with an open door lead to me beguiling a watervine farmer, and now I'm wondering why exactly mehmet needed to send you to red rock. This critter's murdering everything that moves down here, and about the most I'm doing is occasionally shooting something with a bow. And so far all he's picked up is basic axe proficiency! And another axe. and armor. 5 AV/8DV is nice for this point in the game

Also the farmer just killed a second snapjaw shotgunner. Actually hurt it a fair bit (and near killed me in the process), but the farmer is still winning.

E2: Aww, nevermind. Fight with a snapjaw warlord, brute, scavenger, and two hunters killed the thing. To its credit, the only thing that survived was the hunters, heh.

E3: That said, bug! At least with this hunter that has heightened hearing, if you go to look at the mutation description it reads
Code: [Select]
<description>

This level:
<Does level 1 stuff>

Next level:
<Does level 2 stuff>
Otherwise appears normal, though.

Also swapping bodies is... apparently a level transition? Be nice if it didn't count towards <areas until autosave> increments...

E4: Ah, no, that last one's not consistent. Maybe it's heightened hearing causing nearby maps to be generated? Something's doing it, anyway.

Also this hunter's color is changing when I dominate it. Been from red to white to green so far. Might be something specifically with ASCII mode, I'unno.

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