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L... like, okay. Just to make sure I'm not getting confused by the potential of regional dialect shift. When you say print envelope, you're talking about...?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 31, 2017, 09:23:59 pm »
Free roam chickens roam free, man. All sorts of other uses for ambulatory breakfast, too.
is it common for forum DMs to conk out after a few posts
i'm new at this so i don't know what the recommended wait time is between posts
Not personally involved with that sort of stuff, but I've read through archives and whatnot in desperation for something to read enough to know that... yes. Forum game style stuff that has a couple posts by the OP who then wanders off for whatever reason does indeed seem pretty common. Probably a majority of the distinct threads, even.

No clue if there's a common standard for thread creator contact, though. Reasonableness would say to give it a week or so and then maybe float 'em a PM to see if they died, but considering how fast some of those things run, I'unno.

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... are you saying he writes in a corrupted dialect of barcode?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 31, 2017, 05:03:25 pm »
But worse than just having a physical key, too, though. Or at least some kind of emergency unlock that doesn't consist of breaking down the door and/or going out a window. Cost permitting, the answer to these sorts of situations tends to be most effective when you stop asking which and start realizing both is good.

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My responsibility is to ensure that the position of the Department of Justice is not only legally defensible, but is informed by our best view of what the law is after consideration of all the facts. In addition, I am responsible for ensuring that the positions we take in court remain consistent with this institution’s solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right. At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the Executive Order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am I convinced that the Executive Order is lawful.

Consequently, for as long as I am the Acting Attorney General, the Department of Justice will not present arguments in defense of the Executive Order, unless and until I become convinced that it is appropriate to do so.
Yeah, for those questioning, I'll reinforce this and retract part of what I said earlier; if the AG believed the EO was unlawful -- as this quote definitely seems to support -- then refusing to defend it was very much their mandate, and the AG was doing exactly what they should have. They have a responsibility to enforce the lawful orders et al of the pres and by extension executive branch, but also one to not enforce unlawful ones.

Basically,
Lawyers and the like are still supposed to hold to various ethical and legal standards regardless of what their employer tells them to do.
this, except the thing to remember is that while the president does do the equivalent to hiring in this case, the employer is the government as a whole, and ethical and legal responsibilities to that supersede any to the president in cases where the two are (perceived to be) in conflict. If the AG thought the order was unlawful, holding off on enforcement and whatnot until that could be confirmed was by and large the correct thing to do.

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Starting today, he will start stocking the Supco. His appointees will be those he has leverage over. Expect at least one more justice to die of "natural causes," such as polonium poisoning.

I'll say this for the anti-Trump crowd, at least their conspiracy theories are more entertaining. Definitely spicier than anything to do with Obama's birth certificate.
Oh, don't worry, the anti-obama stuff was just as spicy, probably even moreso. If there's actually a difference it's that the birther bullshit was about all they could get anyone outside the alt-right & co media sphere to notice, so it was much easier to hear about it.

... also I'm pretty sure most of us are either thinking PTTG's stuff is something approaching satire or just some degree of insanity. The other difference would be that a notable amount of the anti-obama crowd, uh. Didn't. Think that sort of thing. Seeing one say with a dead serious face and complete sincerity that obama was poisoning political opponents and another not looking or being even the least bit skeptical is/was... not terribly uncommon, insofar as conversations tend to drift towards discussion of clandestine political executions. Which is less unusual than you'd think among that particular bundle of demographics.

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So I've seen a few hysterical people across the internet freaking out about Trump firing the acting-Attorney General, saying that he's tearing down the separation of powers, the checks and balances, etc.

Am I mistaken in thinking that the AG is answerable to the executive branch, not the judicial branch? I thought the Supreme Court was the one to watch as far as judicial went, not the AG.
Nah, that's pretty much it. AG's just the head of the DoJ, which is an executive branch department and by extension mostly under the president's jurisdiction. Doesn't strictly speaking have anything to do with judiciary anything, nor much to do with checks and balances.*

Probably just folks getting confused by the name of the title and assuming it's not executive branch stuff, tbh.

*E: Well, save the extent that one's supposed to refuse any unlawful/unconstitutional directives given by the president. Not quite what happened regarding this, near as I can tell. Unlawful and unconstitutional are the metrics, not monumental stupidity or what have you.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 31, 2017, 11:32:33 am »
Ahhh, the words anyone with any degree of bookkeeping experience -- even just training -- dreads: "They didn't keep records."

I guess in one sense, only several thousand dollars winding up in the wrong place over the last year or two is a surprisingly tame results :V

nothing major, just helping a little with someone volunteering to get a church's financial records into something approaching order rather than nonexistance while not surprised, the understanding of why the US church circuit is one of the largest fraud markets in the country has become a bit less conceptual

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 30, 2017, 09:53:46 pm »
Naaaah, not the worst of both worlds. That's more what we had before. Even as screwy as things are now, we're still in a notably better place healthcare wise than we were a decade or two ago. More insured, costs slowing down most places, less dickery being given free reign, buncha' other stuff.

... says a lot about how it was going before, really. I'll put in some effort defending the ACA, flawed as it is, but I do still hold we would have seen similar gains if we had just beheaded every healthcare related CEO and/or upper management figure in the country. Literally beheaded. Nothing figurative, there, and not really any other actions. Maybe make little cryofreeze boxes and mandate the installation of their preserved heads on a pike in appropriate business offices, I'unno. Stuffed and mounted if you're going for cost savings, I guess. Then it's just a matter of telling whoever takes their place that if they bungle things as badly as their predecessors, they're going to be the next wall ornament. Eventually we'd either have a working healthcare system, or some very cluttered hospital business offices. Normally I'd be rather troubled by that kind of suggestion, but the folks in question are handling the lives and deaths of a hell of a lot of people and they managed to hard screw quite a large number of them. Seems like it might be fair for 'em to ante up a similar investment if they're going to be making a hefty paycheck off it, y'know?

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But this is to be expected for a political outsider candidate to have very little experience in politics, really.
... see, just a little bit ago I said a few words on business practices...

No, this is not to be expected for an outsider than has little experience in politics, not unless they have fairly significant character and/or cognition flaws. Experience has nothing to do with it, having less foresight than a blind lobotomized rhesus macaque does (that's the charitable interpretation, mind; the other ones involve varying degrees of malice). Please don't be one of those people that piss all over actual outsiders of little experience that are worth two dessicated damns by saying this is the level of behavior you expect from them :-\

Even if y'lack experience, you can have enthusiasm without enthusiastically shooting yourself in the foot in the process. Generally it ain't even that difficult (to at least only clip a toe instead of burying the bullet right in the center) if you stop to think for two seconds, or have the basic administration/leadership competence the nonexistent gods gave a diseased pinecone. And we really should be able to expect at least that much from a political candidate, regardless of their previous experience or adherence to current political structure. Clearly we can't from trump, but that was clear a long time ago. Let's at least not let his actions set the bar for those that come later.

Rest of that bit, just... fine, okay, if you call this fulfilling promises. Just, for love of fornication, please don't internalize this as normal, standard practice, or anything even remotely resembling either, even for folks of a roughly similar background. It's not. At all.

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The war won't go on forever, and will likely end in pretty short order (at least in Syria and Iraq) if people would stop funding jihad there. That's why I think the USA should continue helping the Iraqi army kick out ISIS and the other bullshit infesting the place but back off in Syria and let the government and the Russians do the same.
*scratches head* The conflicts in that region have been going on for longer than I've been alive, and probably longer than both our lifespans combined. This particular conflict may be coming to a temporary close, but for all it's been pretty terrible the actual conflicts are rarely more than a small fraction of the problem. Funding is only part of it, and while that should be addressed, too, the stuff I was talking about was the human resource aspect, leftover soldiers old and new. Even ignoring the base ethical component, that's a good chunk of what refugee related political stuff is about, trying to reduce the likelihood of radicalization, increase the resources nearer state actors have to deal with their own groups or military/etc. response to the conflict itself, all that sort of junk. Yeah, the US's investment in that's been kinda' piss poor (particularly related to our capability) and those we did take in generally not the likeliest risk vector or whathaveyou, but... every bit helps, and at least we should have been avoiding making the step from anemic to actively counterproductive, y'know? Remains to be seen if we're going to actually manage to backpeddle on that front, but...

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I suppose the first part of that makes sense, and I admit it's something I didn't consider, but the difference in being conscripted into a militia and joining/forming one willingly is pretty big to just gloss over. I'm still not convinced that making entry into the USA, where very few of them are even trying to go anyway (compare to those headed for Turkey, other Arab countries, safer parts of their own nations, or Western Europe,) more difficult is going to push people who fled a conflict to just go ahead and join the people who forced them out in the first place instead.
*shrugs* Thing is, they don't have to join up with those folks to contribute to the problems involved. Even just being that many more that piles into nearer but significantly more stressed (and more reachable by those inclined akin to those they're fleeing) areas is a contributing factor, and almost certainly they're at least as likely as joining the oppressors for survival to join some other group that's in conflict with said antagonizing force. Which is maybe less bad, but conscription or willing muster you still have that many more militants involved and lingering should the conflict actually end, with everything that entails.

Basically, what related stresses we take on is that much less falling on someone else. 'Sides, it's not exactly like we were doing fuckall terribly much on that front to begin with, but anything is better than nothing.

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The more you keep people bottled up with the headchoppers, the more likely they're going to either join up (to keep from getting chopped, because a russian airstrike gib is later and today is now) or turn into their own bunch of 'em. Either tends to end up a net negative for everyone.

Logic you're missing is PTTG doing the same thing conservatives do and using ISIS as a catchall for particularly violent insurrectionists, probably.

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Yes, but it isn't normal for them to be so amateurishly bungled.
It's not normal on that front indeed, but this is more or less the least qualified and capable president we've had. We're only at the start, bleh.

And no, even 80s business/management training would have shat on how he's been going about things. Seriously, again, please don't associate what he's been doing with even a facsimile of proper business practice. This ain't how you run a business, it's how you run one into the ground. If he had any training of that note, he pointedly forgot it at some point between then and now.

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Wtf. How is this a good idea from any angle at all?
It's not.

... all there is to it, really.

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General Discussion / Re: bacon- microwave or oven?
« on: January 30, 2017, 01:43:47 pm »
Yeah, if for some reason you want a recipe for that I'm pretty sure there's some out there. Fair few alt-meat burgers along those lines loitering around existence.

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