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I thought SJW meant a combination of 2 and 4? I'd call #1 activists, not SJWs.

SJW means whatever the person using it wants it to mean. It's not so much a specific thing as a generic pejorative, these days. It's not spent much time since it was coined being anything else, really.

Though, to that latest post, I don't think I'd agree that the term's overused. It's more that some very vocal and persistent people are trying to paint the term as muddied, for their own purposes (generally to deny it exists, for varying reasons). I don't see it misused very often, particularly in anything widely seen or read. I see it called misused significantly more, heh.

... also I have no idea how you picked up the W in SJW meaning worker, heh. Conflation with social workers, which is something very, very different?

I think I might've misinterpreted you here a bit, sorry. I blame English being my second language I interpreted your meaning as that labeling is still necessary in order to tell right from wrong (and again, please forgive me if I am putting words into your mouth here).
If so, I was referring to labeling of other people, specifically for the purpose of othering, which is most often harmful. Being able to identify unwanted stuff is important and a good thing, dismissing people as "the other" is not.

Not so much othering as identifying people as actually doing bad things, what's generally referred to as being bad people. One of the biggest fights civil rights has had (still has) over the years was (is) getting people to actually call racism, racism and racists, racists -- same with feminism et al and misogyny. Instead of just the way things are, the way god intended, etc., so forth, so on. Not just an opinion but a discrete set of stuff that's being done. It is, to a degree, othering, though.

And while it is often harmful, it also serves a pretty important purpose. It's incredibly hard to recognize and change behavior if you don't see it unusual, if you're not being set apart from your peers when it enact them. It's as much needed as it is to be watched carefully.

What fucking heresy is this?! There's a reason I say no to all bacon served by fast food restaurants.

Hey, it's edible, it's still bacon, and it's bacon you didn't have to cook you can just pluck out of the fridge and munch on. Relatively expensive and generally fairly meh quality wise, but it ain't bad so far as the eating goes.

And microwaving bacon's fine. Sometimes a bit finicky and it works better with stuff like turkey bacon, but it's a'ight.

You're not incorrect (the left seems to be much more inclined to conflate identity with position, but it exists in the right and center as well), but I was focused more on trying to distill what wierd appeared to be saying than I was in trying to advance a thesis of my own.

Get that. Still... I'd disagree pretty strongly about it being a notably left leaning phenomena. It's a very human thing, and pervasive on that front. People in general like to interpret disagreement as personal attacks.

Now, if you wanted to say that left-wing expressions of it are labeled as such a hell of a lot more often, that, I'd agree with handily.

Nope, and that person is pretty damn prophetic, why didn't he run for president if he saw the problems way back then.

Lots of people saw those (well, similar, anyway) problems way back then, as I've been repeating, and repeating, and repeating. Seeing the problem, trying to do something about it, and getting much actually done are three different things.

Sometimes you don't have a pan. Sometimes you don't want to have to clean one. Sometimes you'd rather just press some buttons than having to exert what little effort is involved in cooking bacon in a pan. Probably other reasons, too, I'unno.

Oven's better, and fairly substantially. Pan can work about as well on that front, too. Microwave works decent enough, though. Is still bacon.

Man, the weird thing is that unenclosed five point symbols (i.e. not stars) in general seem to be almost freakishly uncommon. Two, three, four, six, more, yes. Five is just... not there, unless it's a star or something of similar nature. For whatever reason we appear to be very avoidant of that particular configuration.

... probably my biggest thing that'd likely be considered a guilty pleasure (save that I have no guilt over it, anyway) is that I read fanfiction. Lots and lots of fanfiction. And actually admit it to people in real life fairly casually, though it almost always requires explaining what it is, first.*

It's kinda' becoming more well known/accepted, I guess, but there's still a fair amount of stigma and an even greater amount of incomprehension, at least in the area I'm in.

*It's surprisingly difficult to explain shipping lingo to someone that has little to no exposure to online literature. Just... throwing that out there.