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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« on: November 17, 2016, 11:29:34 am »
Actually, about a dozen could play at least one instrument.

Today I learned Nixon could play the accordion. Also we had one that could play the banjo.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« on: November 17, 2016, 11:12:24 am »
Pretty sure I mentioned it earlier, but... again. While the internet stuff did have some influence, it was only some. The thing about /pol/ is that by and large (so far as I'm aware, anyway, as I don't actually spend much time browsing it), most of the shit they spew is either explicitly coming out of non-net media already (and has been longer than the internet has had pictures) or cheerfully in line with it, sometimes fairly promptly looping back into it.

Think a fair amount of the hubbub on that front is that folks in more built up areas, or more connected to internet and its goings on, and so on, are significantly overestimating their effect (just due to how much more the internet et al is part of their lives) and severely underestimating what was already circulating around. People not around it with some degree of regularity don't seem to realize exactly how virulent talk radio (and the other offline venues for "information" propagation) is, and has been for decades. The horn tooting on their end probably adds to it, too, but any influence the online alt-right et al had was piggybacking pretty hard on the infrastructure (for lack of a better word at the moment) that was already there.

Basically, you don't really need to take them seriously until the internet finishes really sinking into our nation, and finishes strangling out TV, radio, and so on. Still a ways to go, on that front, particularly with regards to likely voters (and/or people with notable political influence).

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 17, 2016, 09:07:22 am »
They're not so horrible, exactly, but they can still get pretty damn rough. Not for the sort of messed up reasons they used to (generally), but just because it can be rather incredibly hard to keep someone very intent on hurting themselves or others from, well, not doing that. Stuff like a particularly panicking/etc. patient ending up naked and clinging to the ceiling is... not unknown. Which may sound amusing until you think for a second and realize that means they probably tore themselves away from an orderly (generally rather fit and trained to keep people restrained) or three, and managed to either climb up the wall or just straight up jump (off of something) and then either dug their fingers through whatever the ceiling's made of or latch themselves onto something up there capable of holding a human's body weight. And it's again not unknown for them to hang there for... a while.

Add on what the mental hiccups involved can do to the patients' psyche and what medication can cause if it's involved... lots of terror, lots of anger, hella' nasty vibes, regardless of how bad the actual treatment is, and that's not even getting into whatever suicides slip through or heart attacks/strokes/etc. end up happening. Places are prime targets for the stuff that's classically attributed to causing ghosties.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 17, 2016, 07:56:19 am »
... 60-70 years of modern hospital would have seen some corpses and agonized deaths, too, IT. Probably less torture, but the barrier of entry for poltergeists has never been particularly high.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 17, 2016, 07:47:06 am »
They do have ratings, though the exact method they're evaluated with probably changes from area to area and over time. Know in the U.S. at least a handful of years ago every once in a long while you'd get like this survey thing and I think some kind of box to plug into your TV system that you'd keep track of for something like a week or two, then send back in. Want to say it was a gov't initiative of some sort but I can't really recall. Contributed to that sort of thing one way or another, I think.

Nowadays it's probably easier to just track on the channel's end or somethin. Any case, yeah, producers, channels, etc., totally have heuristics to measure stuff like peak viewership, retention, rate of growth/decline, so on so forth, and at least colloquially/outside the industry they're called ratings. No clue if there's a different term for it among professionals in related fields, though.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 17, 2016, 01:22:50 am »
Quote from: Eric Blank on November 17, 2016, 12:49:40 am
Still not betting on anybody figuring out a planet-busting bomb any time soon. Planet will be fine.
The hurtling conglomeration of rock and flaming rock, yeh, it'll probably be fine. The everything on it, i.e. the stuff we care about, however...

Will be honest, I don't care too much about the crap that's not biosphere enabled, save when it can made into biosphere enabling/manipulating trinkets, m'self. If people aren't here to live on it, it might as well not be there :V

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« on: November 16, 2016, 11:45:02 pm »
Quote from: Urist McScoopbeard on November 16, 2016, 10:50:30 pm
"... and then they all remembered Trump was the most liberal Republican candidate in modern history. The end."
The messed up thing is that a lobbying ban on administration hires might actually be the exact opposite of liberal in trump's case. You just have to think for a second what sort of folks in the right wing would be willing to make the sort of commitment that article talks about. There's only really two choices, tbh -- corrupt as hell/independently wealthy (which is about as close to the same in GOP aligned folks as you can get, even moreso than for left-wing folks), or idealistic/fanatic. Conceptually someone down to earth that's not either but doesn't care much about future political influence, but, uh. GOP aligned. That might apply to some of their voting base but it doesn't apply to much else.

Anti-establishment (if that) doesn't necessarily entail liberal, unfortunately. By any means.

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General Discussion / Re: The small random questions thread [I spoiled my pants]
« on: November 16, 2016, 11:27:04 pm »
Well, having now dug far deeper into the internet than I probably should, and pinging my IP off a lot of stuff I probably shouldn't have, I think I can state pretty comfortably that that was either a simple artist variation/flare, something local, or incredibly obscure.

Also, I've learned that unenclosed five point symbols are kinda' freakishly uncommon. Stars are one thing, but stuff like a five point hooked cross? Not so much. It shows up very, very rarely (as in, out of the couple dozen sites and several hundred images spread out over probably twenty different searches, I saw two, and neither had a unique name for the variation or anything), though it does show up.

That said, buers probably look a lot like that symbol. Couldn't find some kind of stick figure buer type thing, though.

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General Discussion / Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« on: November 16, 2016, 09:57:53 pm »
... change can take a long time. Lifetimes, sometimes. Lot of ways things are actually better these days, for all that may say more about the past than present. That didn't happen by folks stopping the discussion. Lifetime of trying for change may be doing nothing but building up the foundation for three or four further out. Sucks if you feel the need to see something done now, but that's just kinda' the way it goes.

Some stuff y'do not because it gets results but because not doing it is worse.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 16, 2016, 08:32:57 pm »
Watching spirit tracks walkthrough. Just... just noticed that at least two of the dungeon bits could, without much inaccuracy, be called "deep throat temple". Fish head things on walls, where you yank out and jam in swords to solve puzzles. It... it's more than a little suggestive. Why link. Why.

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General Discussion / Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« on: November 16, 2016, 08:06:57 pm »
Hey, actually facing charges. That's more than most.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 16, 2016, 06:06:39 pm »
Godspeed, ak. Hopefully not in your salad.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« on: November 16, 2016, 06:04:11 pm »
Quote from: wierd on November 16, 2016, 05:50:43 pm
Yes I did. Right here.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159257.msg7265592#msg7265592
... so communicated them very, very poorly. Gotcha'.

Core cause does not entail specific items, nor does "why do you think they are legitimate" mean "why you felt they can be obtained through protests". This is probably why both you and cript were calling each other on goal post moving. You actually were, but apparently unintentionally. Cript was trying to respond to what you said, instead of what you thought you said. It happens, yeah.

... and what you seem to be missing is that you're apparently dismissing "no bad policies" as... not "no bad policies". Or seem to be saying that people cannot protest the intent to enact policies, only attempt to influence them to change after they've already been implemented or are actually working through the legal process, rather than, y'know. Before. Which is what cript was saying the intent was, among others. That and the cabinet appointments/VP are two of the bigger actual grievances that's being aired.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« on: November 16, 2016, 05:46:34 pm »
Quote from: wierd on November 16, 2016, 05:33:34 pm
You moved the post yet again by not explaining what specific items are being sought, which I asked for, and why you felt they can be obtained through protest, which I also asked for, while demanding those things from myself.
You... didn't ask for either of those. I just triple checked, to make sure the second check didn't miss something. You said nothing about specific items, nor why they could be obtained through protest. Or if you thought you did, you communicated it very, very poorly.

Also you completely misidentified what redress is being sought... despite being told otherwise more than once. Clinton would be nice, but that's not what most of the protesting seems to be about nor what would be necessary to address what they're protesting about.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« on: November 16, 2016, 05:14:01 pm »
Quote from: PTTG?? on November 16, 2016, 05:09:57 pm
What kind of organization could possibly exist that would not be governmental?

This whole idea that "government is inevitably bad" is a meme created to prevent people from using their government at all.
It was, but there is actually non-gov organizations that work like that. Stuff like the MPAA. Not legally binding, not enforced by law, still enforced by what amounts to supplier collusion. Pretty sure there's other stuff, similarly industry exclusive.

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