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Huh.  Just noticed an apparent trend of folks making donations to planned parenthood, in honor of pence.  Something that sends some sort of certificate of thanks to the input address... namely his governorship office, or the white house. Fairly useful, and sends a bit of a message.

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... obama didn't lose the popular vote. Nor was he proposing things that very directly threaten the lives of a lot of people. Not really equivalent.

Or to put it another way, the protesting is only partially due to dislike of the EC. Without the other, notably more inflammatory bits, yes, there wasn't this sort of protesting. It's almost like things were different.

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... I mean, when it comes to likelihood, here. We are talking english. And poetry. Reason would say the words are pronounced differently but reason has very little to do with the subject being discussed :V

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The new president-elect also has plans to abandon climate research, transfer Earth monitoring funding from NASA to NOAA, and strengthen the U.S. military’s stance in orbit.
I got excited for a second, but nevermind. This is fucking disgusting. Space exploration is a mission of peace and scientific advancement. Stop militarizing space, you bastard! Even the Cold War didn't manage that!
The amazing thing is that's not the worst part of what you just quoted. That earth monitoring stuff NASA is doing is, besides what it's does to help climate research, also just about the only thing that lets them do anything orbital or extra orbital.

You see, for those out there that don't know, there's this thing called "launch window". Finding and utilizing them requires, among other things, the sort of data that, well. Is also useful for climate change research. No earth monitoring? No space flight, because everything that tries to get out goes off course and/or ignites and/or misses what it was aiming for. Turns out hurling giant piles of mass into space is a somewhat delicate process that things like wind and rain can cause trouble for :V

I guess theoretically NOAA could do the same thing, but then... all you'd be doing is transferring the funding to another organization that's not currently set up for it to do the exact same thing, one that isn't as specialized or attentive (because they've got other things to do) to the needs of space flight.

... though if he manages to go through with it, I guess that could mean we're going to get more data on what happens to a launch that goes up through a thunderstorm. Which might do something for orbital launch engineering and whatnot? May they all be unmanned :-\

OTOH, I do now have an image of the funding and duty getting transferred to NOAA, and them immediately turning around and contracting it out to NASA, because they're the ones with the infrastructure, experience, and expertise to do the job appropriately. That would be kinda' hilarious.

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Pretty sure we're already too late on that front. P-Ribbit (dude's street name, don't ask) may just end up the sanest/least concerning in the lot.

So Trump wants to increase American defence budget by roughly 10%...
If he will also force NATO allies to do the same... We can get a new very entertaining arms race
Eh... maybe, but he's going to have to get the money for it, first, as the article notes. While delivering promises of massive tax cuts. Not impossible, but it's another one of those "may get him killed if he tries" things, considering we really don't have that much give in our domestic spending these days. If he starts slashing that and nixes the ACA at the same time, well... there's going to be a non negligible number that's going to die anyway.

Normally I wouldn't even consider it much of a possibility, but normally we don't have a president gearing up to ruin swaths of the countryside and dismantle safety nets some already rather desperate people rely on, either, to say nothing about the possible implications for some of our minorities.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 13, 2016, 11:17:55 pm »
... uh, no, this isn't one extreme against another. It's two different sorts of the same type just happening to cancel each other out... maybe.

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Y'know, that's an interesting thought experiment. Just how much ground water could trump's policies render unusable, and what kind of dispersal pattern would the process follow? Like, if we threw out the EPA (or just violently ravage the regulation and enforcement, which amounts to the same thing) and clean water act and all that, and had basically no checks on agriculture/industry/etc., just how much and how fast would a national scale water quality disaster propagate? Where would it start, where would it end, how long would the effects last, all those sorts of things.

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So, how do you couple money with supply and demand? One might think barter, but that doesn't work for mass scale economies.
Well, there's this thing where the strength of the currency is more or less based on the power and reliability of what ensures it, or something fairly close to that. Like, say. A country's government or somethin'. Oddly enough, it's one of the more economically stable ways of going about things, particularly if managed correctly.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 13, 2016, 07:44:32 pm »
Sure, but you seem to be thinking trump can be trusted to follow up on a contractual promise, or anything like one. Considering the amount of lawsuits he's ate specifically because he didn't do that, uh...

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Speaking of farming subsidies, didn't one of the Republican candidates say that they'd get rid of farming subsidies? May have been Trump, but I forget which one it actually was.

Though Trump, if it was him, hasn't mentioned that since the debate where it was mentioned I don't think. Not aware if he ever said it more in his speeches.
He did say something along those lines at some point, checking. It was more of a "get rid of all subsidies and let the free market sort it out". Said some stuff that would contradict that too, though, of course.

Now, that said? If trump got rid of farming subsidies farmers would kill him, and I'm about 70% sure I'm speaking literally there.

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The alternative isn't farms run by local labor, the alternative is no local farms and import everything from Mexico, where the workers are paid even less than they get here (which is why they travel).

It's exploitation, but the Mexican workers come here because they get more than they would otherwise. So "end exploitation" is all well and good as a line in the sand, but sometimes people agree to be exploited because they're benefiting as well.
Eeehhh... not entirely true. There's still a market for local and in-country grown stuff, after all. It'd just be more expensive and produce would mostly be imported

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The undocumented immigrants don't have legal protection, by and large. They don't get that stuff because they have no way to fight for it. Min wage, anyway... social security is something else.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 13, 2016, 06:24:13 pm »
Natural monopolies, tbf. There's only sometimes the option of switching suppliers, and even then it's only so likely they're not all just as bad in your area.

Though fie on you, MSH. That is indeed what we need but everything helps to some extent, and activism in particular makes it that much more likely the state actually does that.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 13, 2016, 06:13:14 pm »
Eh, it probably wouldn't have made too much of a difference in the US, if folks had. Might have actually pushed more people R. Still plenty of enmity among stateside christians towards catholicism and specifically the pope. Including stateside catholics.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 13, 2016, 06:09:37 pm »
Sometimes I wonder if some politicians are actively anti-environmental. Heh, imagine one day, there's a severe hurricane, and a politician gathers support to dump oil and toxic waste in the sea as retribution. Not likely, but regrettably not unlikely enough.
Some absolutely are, straight up explicitly, bought and paid. One of trump's advisors or somethin' used to be a tobacco lobbyist (denying that tobacco caused harm) that transitioned into doing the same sort of work for the energy industry (denying any and every thing climate change), just as an example. There very much are politicians, in the US and elsewhere, that are actively working to destroy the environment of the areas they potentially oversee, are aware of the problems they are causing, and just straight up don't give a damn.

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