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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 13, 2016, 09:17:24 am »
Okay, everyone needs to take a picture of the cashier's setup near their place. The places I know of, it's pretty unfeasible, the whole system sits behind the till-barricade and the goods go straight from beeper to bag.
You only really get access to them when they need to go into the shopping cart.
Of course, mom and pop shops work slightly differently. I think. Okay, I have no idea, they don't exist.
That's how it is most places around my area, yeah. The customer actually bagging the stuff, or an employee besides the cashier, is pretty rare. And getting more rare, actually -- five, ten years ago it was a bit more findable.

Though apparently their training or... something... is better in my neck of the woods. I've pretty much never had a problem with 'em bagging stuff unwisely. No punctured meat packaging, no squishy/breakable stuff in the wrong bag or under something, nothing like that. Occasionally there'll be leakage of one sort or another but that's almost always because I/whoever was getting it just didn't notice the stuff was set to do that from the beginning.

So far as speed goes, though, I haven't noticed much of a gain speed wise between cashier + bagger and just cashier. Scanning and putting away are basically one motion, most of the time, and sliding the whatever towards the bagger is about as much effort. And, uh. When I shop, I tend to shop for a month+ in terms of quantity, so it's not just a matter of habitually getting small amounts in one go.

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Parts of 'em have been for at least a few months, now.

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Y'know, I was looking over that again to see if anything changed since the last time I did, and I just now noticed one of the things on there is minimum federal sentencing for people trying to reenter the country after being kicked out once. That... may actually be competitive for the most hilariously unfeasible thing on that list, particularly in the face of the stated intent to fuck the federal budget into a gas tank and set it on fire.

The particularly fun bit about it, is the wording suggests he's going to try to advocate for border crossing to be actually illegal, i.e. under the purview of the criminal justice system, i.e. under the procedural protections giving under due process et al, i.e. ballooning the resources and time needed to deal with the individuals in question by several orders of magnitude. That would be a clusterfuck of faintly awe inspiring proportion.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 13, 2016, 07:54:16 am »
Well, if it the interactions in question involved a strap-on, the joke wouldn't really work.
You probably don't need condoms for something you can sterilize in boiling water between uses.
Need and want are two different things, yoink. The joke still works :V

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Anyone know how the big financial institutions are responding? I don't mean the stock markets, but talking credit rating.
If in any EU country a rightwing populist like Trump would be elected, it would be immediatly followed by Standard an Poor's dropping the credit rating by at least a whole point. DId they drop the rating for the US yet?
Ask again in 2-6 months.

So far as stuff like that goes, you kinda have to remember: Trump isn't president yet. He won't be until next year. And he's in a sort of pre-"terrify the living buggery out anyone paying attention" phase, right now, where his human resource decisions are goddamn horrifying but they're not really doing much, yet. There's almost certainly chunks of those sorts of things panicking a bit, but many/most have likely adopted a "wait and see" outlook. After all, trump is a habitual liar, and the GOP control of congress isn't enough to give them free reign (unless they dump the filibuster, in which case pucker up tight and pray).

Surely the worst of it was either puffery, they think, or a politician doing that thing that has been fairly effectively proven to be inaccurate where they were lying about their campaign promises and have no intention of trying to implement just about any of them, or they'll be fine regardless, or the checks and balances in place will keep him and those arrayed behind him from actually fucking the world's economy harder than a rabbit orgy in a woodchipper.

Incidentally, this is where you play a clip of Count von Count laughing.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 12, 2016, 11:33:50 pm »
Grocery stores in India have security guards at the exit that check amount of zip-tied-by-the-cashier bags in your cart against the receipt, before he'll let you leave.
Interesting. This is the first time in a while I've wanted to see something's financial reports. Curious as to if that's cost effective or not, heh.

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... is that a proposition or a threat?

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Rolling hills, and narrow valleys, and frequent moistness?
More like something green and lovely to think of while doing something unpleasant. The relative lack of your last part is somewhat implied.

And yeah, it's... well, specifically marital rape is probably more accurate than the broader term. Basically congress you feel like you have some sort of duty to/must inevitably perform (however screwed up that is), but don't want and don't enjoy. LW got most of the details in one place, just then.

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Originated from the journal of a british wife, apparently. I did misquote it a bit (it's lay back or close your eyes, not bend over) but that was mostly intentional.

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Eh... minor point of correction I'd make is it wasn't really reddit or twitter that would have got them into the alt-right. Thing you have to understand is that probably the most significant presence of the alt-right in the US is talk radio, and the sort of demographics we're talking when we talk those workers still listen to the stuff often enough. Their world view gets informed a non-negligible amount by good ol' Limbaugh and his ilk, half-listened to as they go to work or come home or whathaveyou, and they have for most of either of our lives. Alt-right presence among these demographics ain't even remotely a new thing.

Now, talk radio and the internet alt-right is... incestuous, to say the least. Play off and feed into each other a lot, but there's been no stumbling upon the alt-right going on here, by and large. Ground level exposure wouldn't have changed that much. They've been listening to it for years, or around folks that were. What the net stuff would have done... did to a fair degree. Was further legitimize. You hear this radio stuff and it shapes your world view but maybe there's some doubt or at least restraint because that's mostly the only place you hear it explicitly -- fox or whathaveyou dog whistles but rarely more, generally -- or among polite company but then you get into this election and suddenly you see this shit everywhere, look online and see it everywhere, look at the news and see right and left wing media jabbering about shit that's propagated about as much from online crap as anything and was taking cues from what rush or whoever was jabbering about last week regardless. The effect was there in previous elections, the alt-right wasn't some kind of new or unusual thing, exactly. The sheer amount its talking points and narratives were embraced, that is what was unusual. That's a large chunk of where the FTFE comes in. Suddenly crooked hillary and all the other shit isn't just a limbaugh thing, it's something CNN or some whatever the hell is babbling about corruption and scandals and rigging in relation to. That... changes things, y'know? It's not everything but it's a hell of a lot.
Yeah, I've seen Trump lean more towards isolationism over globalism. The idea that he'd wage war left, right, and center unprovoked doesn't make sense.
He did have feet on the ground in syria as one of his campaign... statements. I keep wanting to say promises because that's what you normally say about things politicians say on the campaign trail, but well. Trump. Also fairly notably thin skinned and historically spiteful, and has, if nothing else, stated he wants to do a lot of things that would piss off a lot of other countries. If he goes through with trying to extort countries for protection money and then actually brings military in force into syria, it's not very difficult to see things going very south very quickly. Him getting into a lot of pissing contests with other countries, and then resorting to the biggest stick(s) he has (military, economic sanctions) is... not implausible. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than I'd like. Hell of a lot more sense than a lot of the military would like. Or public, really -- most polling and whatnot regarding military reliability or whatev' were... not particularly enthusiastic. And we're still not sure how much his comments on nukes were trump being trump or trump being earnest.

Thing about trump is that he doesn't really lean towards isolationism, though, save in an economic sense, and even then only in specific ways. It's protectionism -- he's been pretty clear he wants to fuck with the rest of the world fairly vigorously and at least portrays himself as wanting the US in a position of global power and influence (hamhanded as all hell influence, but influence). He's also someone that has difficulty backing down from a challenge of just about any sort. If other countries don't just bend over and think of england, it's hard to say how well he'll react. Now, congress et al, they'll probably/hopefully/maybe stop him, but that doesn't mean the powers given the CIC can't cause some hella' military snafus before they manage it.

Now all that said? To stuff mentioned above, if he tried to institute a draft for shit like settling his own pissing contests, or anything that wasn't outright fending off a ground invasion, you might actually see a civil war in our lifetime, or at least more than one attempt at a coup and/or civil unrest that makes all the shit that's happened the last few years look like a mildly rambunctious kegger party. American public is still pretty iffy on military flexing outside the country, and support for the draft outside of existential threats is... not high. To say the least. Try to force them into that and I'd give good odds it's going to get ugly so fast it gives analysts whiplash.

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And beyond that, the answer is not all, but enough. Lot of republicans would reject an attempt to screw with the constitution, too.

Though beyond that, most dems wouldn't reject something like that just to flip trump off, but they'd damn sure do it to something trying to sodomize the first amendment, especially if they get to flip off trump and the GOP in the process.

Said it before. You can do stuff on the lobbying front, but if you try to ban it for just about anyone, you can screw right the hell off.

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Still not a chance in hell, at the very least unless the SCOTUS gets sufficiently stacked. He's calling for amendments on that front. Amendments takes 2/3rds majority on top of a spread of other things, which is so vanishingly unlikely at this point in time it'd be amusing if people hadn't believed him. Do remember, he lost the popular vote. Stuff like this isn't weighted in the favor of less populated states, and unless some damn weird shit happens before he tries, he's not getting support of a supermajority on anything that isn't free, perfectly safe, oral sex for all. Probably not even that, tbh.

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You're pretty likely to be SOL, then. The lobbying bits are straight up unconstitutional, heh.

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To all appearances, no. Far as I've heard he was about as surprised as anyone he took the EC. One off thing's not nearly the same as a persistent pattern, and so far as previous efforts go foresight and trump were not words that went together very well.

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General Discussion / Re: Should California become its own nation?
« on: November 12, 2016, 05:06:29 pm »
I'd buy it.

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