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He hasn't even been sworn in yet. I'm trying to be relatively positive about the future for once, Jesus Christ a lot of you sound like you're about to jump in front of a train. I really think you guys are overreacting way too early. There's no telling how effective Trump would actually be after he's spent months campaigning that the whole government is corrupt. Now he has to work with that corrupt government he's been painting as the enemy if he actually wants to do shit.

Uh, yeah. The part of it that's been walking in lockstop with the guy even as they both spew shite at each other, and now have majority in house and senate. The same corrupt government he's going to have the ability to appoint SC members to. It's theoretically possible things aren't going to turn out too bad. If you've actually been paying an ounce of attention you know it's going to take something really bloody unusual happening for that to occur. Some of us have actually been paying something of attention to what the GOP and their president elect have been stating they want to do. The "positive" outcome for that going through is merely bad, and for all they may be at personal loggerheads to whatever degree the policy positions proposed, particularly those of substantial impact, are right in line with each other.

Literally the only positive outcome from this that doesn't involve trump and most of the GOP 180ing on their stated intent is our government imploding on itself for the next four years and managing to not set civil rights and our economy back decades by dint of being completely gridlocked. Otherwise? GOP and trump manage to get most or even some of their major policy points from this cycle through? Trade's fucked; we've effectively been promised trade wars by our POTUS candidate. The economy's fucked, just about everything he and the GOP have proposed are riddled with magic asterisks, and they intend to cut federal spending besides. Civil rights laws are going to be tried to be turned further back than I've been alive -- as noted, we now have a VP that literally advocates for something that kills LGBT citizens, and the GOP will be entirely too cheerful to go along with whatever's suggested that fucks minorities. Trump's stated policy goal (PoH mentioned his contract; it's on there) is to strangle our governmental workforce (and that's something the GOP will wholeheartedly support), so infrastructure, vital services, etc.? Fucked. Gods help us if he actually acts on the international stage anything like he has on his personal, business, or political levels. If he does hope other countries are understanding and forgive whoever takes power next time.

There's no positive to this unless just about every promise and policy goal that trump and the GOP have set was a lie, or they end up completely and totally ineffectual at implementing most of them. It could happen! But this shit ain't a good foundation for it.

I'm pissed beyond all human comprehension, but you guys are just being pathetic about this.

There are three components to the US government, and Trump only controls one, while the republicans do control one of the others, they have a vested interest in not doing shit that causes the entire nation to explode (they don't care about the people who fall through the cracks tho'.)  Trump cannot actually wreck the US or anyone else on his own, he NEEDS the House to back him or he can't do shit except write those lovely executive orders that can't actually change anything.

Stop whining.

Null, the house and senate are now GOP majority. Trump will be appointing anywhere from 1-5 SC justices, and have a congress that will rubberstamp them -- by the end of these four years we will have a conservative majority SCOTUS unless something goes really sodding strange. Trump's only got the legislative (nevermind that can bugger the country hard -- those lovely executive orders can do a whole hell of a lot), but the GOP is going to go in this with it all. The only checks and balances realistically available are what the congress minority can manage, unless somehow him and the GOP don't work together on most subjects (protip: Unless trump reveals himself to be a dem plant that's not going to happen).

Also the GOP has demonstrated repeatedly they are entirely willing to do shit that will explode the country, and those people that fall through the cracks are friends, family, and my own goddamn self. This ain't whining mate, this is being legitimately worried about a person and a group that has both the stated intent and history of trying to fuck me, mine, and my entire country.

And yeah, maybe progress can't be halted but I can damn sure be out friends and family (or myself, if shit goes south enough and the state's social safety net gets fucked by GOP rampancy) within the next four years.

But nah, I'm worried as fuck but not panicking, yet. Ask me again when I start getting news of folks needing to arrange for friends' funerals, or if the markets don't recover quickly from the dive they're currently experiencing. Unlike conservatives under obama me and mine actually have to goddamn worry about that.

Quote from: martinuzz on November 09, 2016, 04:10:46 am

A good start would be for the arab oil countries to boycot US. No oil for muslim haters.

I'm pretty sure a part of Trump's platform was getting the US more energy independent. So arab oil countries stopping oil importing to the US would only further incentivize the implementation of that particular policy.

Yeah, it was, and part of that policy implementation involves the more or less complete removal of any and all safety or environmental regulation on that domestic power. Color me doubtful it's a good thing.

Well, probably more peaceful with a Trump victory than if his supporters felt the election was "stolen" by Clinton, right?

In the short term, at least. Maybe. Next year's where the policy starts gearing up to kill our fellow americans, unless something really goddamn unusual happens. Hopefully enough people care about the folks GOP policies will fuck over to keep them from getting screwed.

Quote from: Frumple on November 09, 2016, 01:44:30 am

Considering the currently presumptive VP has stated support for plans to reducing funding for HIV research in order to fund LGBT torture camps, it's entirely too bloody understandable.

What the hell, source? Never heard anything like this.

Here's one. If you're less aware of how incredibly fucked up some of our conservatives are on LGBT rights, conversion therapy generally boils down to torture of one sort or another. It has a history of literally killing people, and driving more to suicide. Pence supports this. Trump chose him as his VP. The GOP has put their vote behind him even if they didn't put their full support. LGBT folks have a goddamn good reason to be worried right now. They're watching the country come out in droves for people that are supporting bastards that have advocated for fucking killing them.

As for the more general problem, he's going to be supporting republican measures. The republican platform on LGBT rights was noted as one of the worst in decades this cycle for a sodding reason. And GOP stance on shit like states rights and LGBT issues is so deeply goddamn hypocritical it's barely worth talking about. If we're not going to have to fight federal measures to strip LGBT rights regardless of state stances on them in the next few years I am going to be deeply, deeply surprised. If you give a single damn about that particular minority in this country pray to whatever god is listening we'll actually be able to fight it when it comes.

I don't see how that sends the message that party affiliation trumps everything, though. Like I said, not even his own party wanted him to win.

And yet they voted for him. Endorsed him even as they denounced him. Sent the message that no matter if you bloody hate the guy on every level, if he's got an R he's got your vote.

And no, it wasn't all about brown skins and illegals. Note I said abso-fucking-lutely everything. The nationalism and bigotry was one hand. The absolute lack of honesty on any front was the other. The republican party now has explicit proof they don't need proof of anything, they just need to lie loud enough and long enough. That's the message they've been given.

Again, people said the same things in an opposite slant about Obama. He never actually did most of it, and went completely the direction you'd expect on sending killbots to assassinate people he didn't like.

While true, obama also wasn't actually running on the platform they were saying he was, nor actually outright saying he was going to do those things. Most of their perception of 'im were distortions or outright lies. Trump kinda', y'know. Is. Running on those platforms and outright saying those things. The perception of him comes right from his mouth and his party's platform. Not really equivalent situations.

S'already one running, FJ.

And for those that don't easily ken what <1% means, we're talking the actual tabulated numbers haven't hit four digits in NH, yet. Or three.

Probably good to remember that the bluer areas tend to finish counting later than the red ones, too, for anyone that might be worried. Population densities and whatnot.

Is there a website or something to see the live results? I'm not interested in tuning into some shitty news station to be bombarded with commercial breaks every five minutes for a couple hours.

Here's one. There's almost certainly more if you feel like looking.