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9076
In his own mind, if nowhere else.

9077
... and the repeated legal verdicts the GOP keep getting hit with for voter suppression et al. Those long lines are one of the bigger symptoms :-\

9078
No, it doesn't. Again, there's more on the ballot than the POTUS race. Beyond that, that kind of outlook is what depresses turnout and leads to your voice not getting heard because you assumed someone else was going to speak it for you. There's no sense in throwing out your vote over assumptions, and abrogating your voice because you're bloody lazy. Americans need to get out and vote.

9079
There's more to the margins than who gets in the office, cod. It's also about letting the parties/body politic know just how much something is supported or disliked.

And with an election like this, the people getting out and telling the GOP that this shit doesn't fly in big numbers is one of the preferred outcomes for anyone sane. Slim victory doesn't send the same message, even if there's no difference in who's elected.

9080
There's not really much point in voting even if you are American, the polls are completely in favour of Hillary and apparently the lines in front of the voting stations are full of Hillary supporters.
More on those ballots than the POTUS race, and margins send a message regardless. There's pretty much always a point for americans to get out and vote, regardless of what the polls say.

9081
Ok, I am collecting a lot of "The election is rigged" evidence.

But something stumps me... Isn't the elections more rigged in Trump's favor?

That is kind of what is confusing me right now.
Well, yes. Yes, it is.

Thing is, the point of the rigged rhetoric isn't to actually point out malfeasance in the voting process (the GOP doesn't really give a shit about that, as well evidenced by the fact they're the current major source of it), it's to discredit the legitimacy of a GOP loss. Even if (noted, widespread) voter suppression wasn't doing (massively) more for the GOP than the functionally nonexistent voter fraud is for the dems, the message would still be the same, because the message has nothing to do with reality and everything to do with (false) perception.

Trump's got a history of doing that in the face of a loss, really. Only difference now is there's a lot of people with very little interest in veracity willing to buy the deflection riddled bullshit.

And @poh, I'd be interested as well. ACORN's probably the earliest notable example of o'keefe's bullshit, and everything except the court of public opinion (that made the mistake of treating his video as anything even remotely approaching true) found pretty much nothing. The videos themselves were found to be edited to the point of functionally being outright fabrication (after o'keefe released the unedited source in exchange for immunity to criminal prosecution), and every investigation vis a vis criminal or regulation violations of the organization found more or less sod all.

9082
... yeah, I'unno, I'm tired enough right now I sorta think I also don't give a shit about Poland if it cares so little about the rest of the world it can't see a difference between trump and the GOP vs clinton and the dems. But I'm sure the warmongering xenophobes trying to get a guy in office whose expressed economic desires boil down to "global recession at best" and whose diplomatic savvy currently extends to pissing off pretty much everyone except maybe russia would... somehow... not be substantially worse for y'all than the folks advocating general diplomatic outreach and economic policies that are actually at least tentatively tied to reality, headed by someone that has an actual history working with your government. Not sure how the mechanics work there but whatev'.

9083
... did something happen to the poland missile base? Not seeing any news it was canceled.

9084
Not even a stupid good one, considering her first inclination in conflict keeps being trying diplomacy checks. Better at it than most of our bloody politicians, too, which says a hell of a lot considering how many circumstance penalties she's been taking due to the country's population dumping sense motive.

9085
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 07, 2016, 09:21:02 pm »
It's fairly doubtful MZ has much/any control over hiring and firing. Boss in this case probably means supervisor more than anything more substantial.

9086
67% average isn't a good number for reliability.

If you said "My car doesn't usually break down and leave me stranded," I wouldn't want to ride in your car.
Well, yes, but if you claimed to be as reliable as your average car I probably wouldn't believe you. If I claimed that I would outright be lying to you -- cars can go years without substantial need for more than minor maintenance, and I damn sure can't. Humans are messy, inconsistent things, with lots of competing pressures. When someone's managing "more likely to do what they say than not" (particularly for projects as large and uncertain as generally dealt with by politicians), the word we use for that is reliable, at the very least more so than not, and generally with pretty specific areas they're likely to not be (i.e. predictable).

That's particularly true for anything even remotely complicated, especially if it's dealing with humans and competing interests to any extent. A lawyer that's batting two out of three isn't actually doing bad, and a politician is one of the few roles a person can take that is messier than that. Me, I'm pretty ruddy sure a roughly two-thirds average is solid for the kind of work involved with implementing campaign promises.

... really, suspicion and caution regarding the promises made by just about anyone dealing with subjects as complicated as politics (and any number of other things) isn't a bad thing. But there's that and then there's this damned ethos of utter and unthinking distrust that's a good chunk of what bought this bloody country this bloody election.

9087
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 07, 2016, 07:56:21 pm »
Yes. The answer to your question is "yes".

9088
What politicians say is unreliable, and what they do isn't foreseeable. Might as well rely on endorsements.
Do we really have to keep saying that? Can we stop, yet? Blind trust isn't smart but belief in unreliability in the face of the flat fact that they're more reliable than not as a general demographic isn't either. Politicians aren't some kind of unknowable chaos beast incapable of being predicted, oddly enough.

9089
Depends on some extent on the turnout, I guess. Right now, just about every metric we have is pointing to trump starting off with a pretty sizable deficit, at least. Thanks in no small part to the latino early voters which have straight up surpassed their total votes in 2012, and still have tomorrow to go.

Also please, spoiler. Good sentiment or not big picture is big, and all that white is painful when you're on darkling >_>

E: Thanks, heh.

9090
Looking around, the answer seems to be about 212 fewer than 2012 or 2014. No clue about the site that comes from, though -- was just the first one that popped up giving a state wide total.

That said, marcopia county? Apparently the same number (720-ish, with some being in the same building -- 640 distinct locations) as last election. And at least ninety thousand more registered voters :V

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