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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 07, 2016, 11:05:04 am »
Quote from: Sprin on November 07, 2016, 10:58:16 am
So how's everyone feeling about Hillary wanting a "No-fly zone" over Syria?
Fine? Considering it's explicitly been stated as contingent on agreement with russia and syria (and whatever other actors have stake in the issue, probably) to implement, I can't see much to complain about. If it actually got through under the conditions clinton specified, it'd probably even mean relations with russia had improved (/putin was being less of a shit).

And local news sources, TBF. There's usually at least local newspapers to trawl through, and that's about as good as you get without actually being on the ground.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 07, 2016, 10:17:01 am »
Quote from: misko27 on November 07, 2016, 10:09:57 am
Oh that never ends. This was true in 2014 as well. To all our great detriment, it produced this election. Hopefully at least the Republican Party will be too busy ripping itself apart to really focus on the next election quite yet.
Hopefully indeed. It'd be extra nice if they stayed distracted long enough to break down some of the suppression measures they've implemented, among all sorts of other things. One of the most fucked up factoids I've seen this election cycle is that republican measures to screw over minority voting has apparently depressed the black turnout in NC as much as getting hit by the goddamn hurricane. Regions substantially effected by one but not the other had about the same turnout, both notably less than ones with neither. Makes you want to bludgeon the next GOP fuckwit you hear yelling about a rigged election.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 07, 2016, 10:10:11 am »
Early school time's mostly for the parents, so far as I'm aware. Buses and whatnot handle a lot of the logistics but they also don't, and parents tend to have stuff to do in the morning besides just deal with their kid's before-school routine. Later school starts, less time said parents have to allocate to other stuff.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 07, 2016, 10:07:06 am »
Part of it, anyway. Stumping for 2018 and 2020 has already begun, and there's no telling how much things are going to drag out after the 8th.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 07, 2016, 09:36:11 am »
Quote from: ein on November 07, 2016, 08:32:28 am
Quote from: Frumple on November 07, 2016, 08:22:27 am
harvest work

common myth, farmers don't give two damns or a fuck about the time of day, their schedules are tied to the day directly

dst was invented by a new zealander so he could have more time to catch butterflies

it was first adopted in germany and austria for... reasons
Saving fuel reasons, actually. And yeah, memory was on the fritz. Farm work's the common excuse for keeping it around in my area, but double checking the whole actual reason for initial implementation and a fair amount of the later as well was wartime measures to incentivize saving fuel, apparently. Kinda' useless now, but I think a fair amount of the sentiment is something along the lines of, "If we had to suffer through it, so do you." Which is terrible sentiment but it gets a lot of traction, ha.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 07, 2016, 08:22:27 am »
Yeah, but then you'd be giving people more free time when the sun is up, which is like the exact opposite reason for the time change :V

Whole point of the thing was to better adjust the clock to harvest work, if my memory's working right. Adjusting it so there's more time off during time folks could (more easily) be working kinda' defeats the purpose.

... mind you, I'd be up for it. Just sayin' it'd run counter to the practice's concept.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 07, 2016, 07:27:25 am »
Quote from: UXLZ on November 07, 2016, 04:21:12 am
You seem to be misunderstand something here, Max. My problem is the deletion of her emails after being asked for them. Had she done it before that, it would be irrelevant and not a problem from my perspective, but timing makes all the difference.
... you do realize the emails that were deleted were ordered to be so prior to the subpoena, right? By several months. The only reason they got deleted during it is because the person supposed to be handling it procrastinated like an idiot.

I mean, I realize reality and facts mean less than nothing to you when it comes to clinton, and repeating lies is how you live your life in this thread, but still. The time of the deletion wasn't on her. The people that investigated her have come out saying there is no evidence she tried to conceal information from the probe for a reason. Probably a number of them, really, considering the whole "is their job" thing.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 06, 2016, 11:42:42 pm »
Hey, if you get to ask questions and have the time/interest there's one sitting in the ameripol thread some folks around here would love to hear an answer for >_>

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 06, 2016, 10:09:52 pm »
@alway, if you want some more breakdown, this looks like something fairly recent. Conceptually the 650k could be accurate for total emails on the laptop. It's just most would have sod all to do with clinton.

And hell, isp, if you want to write up what you want asked I'd be willing to call myself. Almost certainly be better for you to, as you're obviously more familiar with the subject, but still.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 06, 2016, 09:05:18 pm »
Yeah, just noticed confirmation that the current latino vote in florida (i.e. just early voting, not whatever happens on election day) has surpassed the total turnout for 'em from 2012, election and early. And for all there's something of a republican lean among 'em in a fair number of ways, well. They really don't like trump, and republican support for the guy has soured things for a lot of 'em, from what folks have noticed. That early voting turnout's a factoid that almost certainly has GOP strategists looking at it and just kinda' going, "Well shit."

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 06, 2016, 08:53:29 pm »
Early voting numbers are suggesting that, yeah. I've seen plenty of folks note that stuff like 538's numbers (just as a singular example; there's plenty more) are specifically built around assumptions that the current numbers break, ferex, and their results are possibly/probably off because of it.

It's still possible the election day turnout is going to be anomalous, too, or that folks have badly mispegged how actual voting patterns are going to play out relative to polling, but... it's looking increasingly unlikely. E: And again, for all chunks of our media have been trying to play up a horse race narrative, it's not actually been looking likely at all, particularly for a break towards trump.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 06, 2016, 08:48:32 pm »
Quote from: Ispil on November 06, 2016, 08:30:28 pm
So, a thought. Polls measure opinion, not turnout. I've been reading a bit on how the Latino turnout this election has been incredibly high (at least for early votes), which is something to take into consideration.
It has! Iirc it's something like doubled in florida's miami-dade county, compared to 2012, as an example. Early votes in general are up pretty substantially (that same miami dade has bloody close to doubled total early votes, compared to 2012, too -- it's nearly reached the point the early votes alone match the total votes, early and election day, from 2012), and, of particular note, in some of the battleground states. You're not just seeing unusual latino turnout, you're also seeing unusual independent/NPA turnout, higher than usual major party turnout... basically it's more or less across the board. There's outliers (NC's vote suppression measures have been working pretty well to depress black turnout, ferex, and the hurricane stuff isn't helping), but in general the trend seems to be pretty unusual and relatively unpredicted upticks in turnout, particularly for early voting. Time'll tell for tuesday, but... as I noted earlier, if the trend continues relative to the 2012 numbers, we're seeing patterns that are really bad for the republican party.

As I've seen commented elsewhere, it's looking a fair bit like trump actually has managed to galvanize a base this year. It's just not his. Clinton's ground game doesn't seem to be hurting, either, ha.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 06, 2016, 07:24:54 pm »
Quote from: smirk on November 06, 2016, 07:15:05 pm
Quote from: Covenant on November 06, 2016, 07:03:28 pm
650k figure used here.

Aye, but that's the total number of emails on the laptop. From the article (emphasis mine): "Metadata on the device suggests there may be thousands sent to or from the private server that the Democratic nominee used while she was secretary of state." So still potentially a lot, but no one really knows yet the FBI hasn't specified, and since they've now officially closed the investigation I'm forced to assume it wasn't that many. I would assume the vast bulk of that 650k is Weiner's correspondence.
A bit of an overview, for what it's worth to folks interested for whatever reason. Apparently the 650k is from anonymous sources, heh. WSJ broke that bit, but their article on it's behind a paywall so *shrugs* The amount actually relevant to clinton is indeed small by the estimation of just about anyone with two working braincells that has commented on the subject.

Though yeah, to the general discussion as to how hard it would be to sift through even the 650k (nevermind the stuff actually pertinent to the clinton server would be a sliver of that and easy identified for separate consideration), you're talking about an organization that regularly sifts through batches of millions in one go, few days, and little mistake. Folks have had digging through that kind of data down to a science for well over a decade even outside of organizations that have investigation as part of their job description. Few hundred thousand isn't actually a big job.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 06, 2016, 06:39:18 pm »
Ex-wife, isp. And so far as I'm aware no one reputable has mentioned anything about the actual volume of emails found, number wise. More than that, only a fraction were copies of the stuff from the clinton server. If there was any mention, particularly from the actual FBI, of the discovery of stuff that wasn't duplicates I've not heard anything about it.

Though nah, serg. 3 was a number that came out early after the republican idiot spread stupidity to the world, but the sources claiming that didn't really have solid grounds for the exact number, at least at the time, iirc.

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General Discussion / Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« on: November 06, 2016, 06:24:07 pm »
For what it's worth, what I recall is that... romney, I think? Did something similar when it was becoming more obvious his nethers were getting pushed in. Starting stumping in the tail end of things in odd places by traditional (i.e. sane) measure.

That said, yeah, word does seem to be that trump stopped paying/didn't pay his pollster, though I've forgotten how official that was already. It'd explain a fair bit, at least as much as internal polling merely spitting out unusual results. Totally in line with the guy's character and history, too.

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