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And in a turn that may not surprise anyone, it's looking like the downballot destruction derby may be starting.

Interesting to see if this stuff's showing up elsewhere. I'm not actually watching the wapo website, but it seems some of the other folks I've been looking at definitely are.

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Other Games / Re: SALES Thread
« on: October 12, 2016, 11:18:32 am »
I'd absolutely recommend EL's soundtrack. Found out my comp can't run it worth a damn during that free weekend or whatever thing steam had a while back. Also found out the music is cheerfully sitting in the game directory >_>

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But to be fair it is policy that Trump has actually been relatively clear about!

Has he?  What level does he want the tariff at?  What goods does he want to include or exempt?  All countries or just some?
Relatively clear, m. For trump. Looks like he's mentioned 35% for mexico and 45% for China recently, as well as a general 20% to everything back in 2011. No mention of goods exemption at all, from what the check noticed.

Of course, all of it was accompanied with the standard weasel words, and I wouldn't exactly be surprised if he's contradicted some or all of it at some point. It is trump, after all. Lying is the slime's default state.

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Clinton released a major child poverty proposal yesterday.  How many people read about it?  How many people read about what racial slur Trump tweated at breakfast?
That's... very little politics.
She's making an adjustment to an existing measure with very little justification and vision.
That's not major either, and I don't get why it's so dependant on the income.
... it would bring millions out of poverty and reduce poverty for millions more, as well as benefit millions more during the period where kids are among their most needy. I'd call that pretty major, personally. Also politics that isn't little, a change with substantial vision, and damned good justification. The income dependency is because it's intended to especially help the kids (and their families) in the worst conditions, while still incentivizing work (i.e. you might actually get the republicans to let it through). The current credit is both smaller and doesn't kick in at all until a certain point.

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You've got the two nominee trying to rub irrelevant dirt on each other "you talked shit about some women" "your husband allegedly  harassed some women"... and they barely discuss any politics.
... mate, clinton has been talking politics constantly, particularly when not actually talking directly to the morass of human filth that is trump. Even then she's managed to interject policy discussion and whatnot to limited degrees. Trump, yeah, trump's basically just throwing out words and doesn't give two shits about politics or policy, but that behavior isn't coming from both candidates.

You also just made it kinda' painfully obvious you haven't been paying the least of attention to anything besides the latest batch of trump's crap. He's got a whole lot of other shit he's heaped on himself, and much of it is pretty damn relevant to the position he's campaigning for. Even this latest batch is, really, as has been explained repeatedly over the last few days in the very thread.

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I don't see Clinton as an improvement on Trump honestly : she's doing a lot of pseudo-left lips service sure, but she is clearly a pure product of pure poll-driven communication.
Bull. Shit. What she's been doing can't be called lip-service unless you've been intentionally blinding yourself to what she's been doing for the last while, and doubly so if you've taken two goddamn seconds to actually look at what she's been proposing this campaign cycle. Clinton's does listen to the people but there's a hell of a lot more going on there.

Will say it outright. I'm not even fond of clinton, but this shit of trying to paint her as even remotely in the same ballpark as trump is in incredibly bad faith, as is trying to claim all the stuff she's done and is trying to do is just piss in the wind. That ain't what's going on, not by a damn long shot.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 12, 2016, 07:48:55 am »
Deploy the wall!
Jack Kirby's books were retconned to not actually be very official I believe. He probably took a lot more from the wider Macross franchise than the TV guys ever did.

Well, sounds like they've retconned that the Zentraedi sort of faded away, but it really is just to justify how they magically vanish after episode 36. Even a warlike militaristic culture is plenty of "culture" even if they don't know about singing, swimsuit competitions and soda. So I find the idea that they just blended into nothingness because they "lacked culture" to be more of an apologist thing for the cracks in the series than anything else. After all, they did have huge fleets of very distinctive spacecraft, thousands of years worth of tradition and technology. Where did that all go? We're supposed to believe that tech that humans cobbled together in a decade from one single crashed alien ship out-competed every single alien-designed war machine from a 500,000 year old spacefaring race, basically overnight. After all, the series makes the point more than once that humans know literally jack shit about space warfare, yet our earth-based designs cobbled together overnight just happen to trump literally every device created by a race that had been fighting space wars for 500 millennia.
... the uh, thing you seem to be missing, is that the zentraedi knew roughly jack shit about the stuff they were using. Basically everything that wasn't combat was handled by the masters (with rare exception ala Exedore, and even his shtick was mostly that he was a once-in-a-generation genius), right up to and including basic ship maintenance (it's actually a plot point somewhere or another, with zentraedi ships having mechanical difficulties due to degradation because their crew had no sodding clue about what basically anything did or how to fix it when it broke). The zentraedi were not a race that stood on their own -- they were warlike and militaristic, but they were also a slave race, literally created to serve another one, and intentionally kept in technological ignorance and away from cultural influences to make control an easier thing.* That's why the culture thing happened like it did, with the humans managing to get communication going on with the zentraedi when they were far away from the Masters' influence and on a mission that wasn't explicit genocide (which was mostly how they avoided the problem before that point -- the masters just gave their soldiers orders to murder pretty much absolutely everything that tried to talk to them). It's also why there just wasn't much zentraedi culture to overwrite. Basically the closest thing they had to that was some engineered in aggression, with almost everything else being "Obey the Robot Masters". They had combat and some industrial (mostly focused around extraction) skills (and that wasn't the terribly impressive; most of it was just due to their size) and... pretty much nothing else.

And... yeah, you actually seem to have no idea what the SDF is. The humans didn't cobble together something that happened to trump every device created by a race that had been waging galactic wars of genocide for millennium, they took the mostly intact masterpiece culmination of technology that said race's more or less most brilliant scientist ever made, that had a working mcguffin device that could power literal galactic empires, and then got it moving again. That's the SDF 1; Zor made that thing, it was barely damaged by its crash (or at least the important parts were), and it took humans decades of freakish magic space plant/energy exposure on top of a few ridiculously capable experts (and Zor clones, don't forget the Zor clones) to even start to understand the thing, though they at least got it working (mostly) before that point. And all that on top of the zentraedi not really knowing how to use a lot of their material -- it's (or at least was) canon that the post-war human/zentraedi organization managed to get some of the remains of the initial fleet to work several times more effectively than the zentraedi alone did; the Factory Satellite being a primary example of that. The humans have a hell of a time when they run into the actual Robot Masters, and a large chunk of the reason they didn't get just straight up exterminated at that point was because the RMs were facing a seriously major energy crisis, on top of a fair glob of other stuff. They got their asses kicked to a fair extent even with a number of years of extended R&D supplemented by what the zentraedi was able to help with and what amounted to a protoculture rosetta stone (in the form the SDF); just about the only reason the first war didn't end with no more humans was because the RMs weren't there, and were stingy about their technology when it came to independent zentraedi forces (and even then, the zens actually did have mechs that strictly outperformed the veritech and battroid stuff, with the female elites being an example). Plus the zentraedi, like the RMs themselves, were fairly badly energy starved at that point.

I'd probably guess part of the problem you're having comparing the tech is that most of the screen-time stuff we have (even with the supplementary stuff) is focused on ace pilots, many of them basically inhumanly (sometimes literally, sometimes very literally once protoculture shenanigans really start kicking in) skilled. The veritech stuff helped a bit with unexpected movement and whatnot, but to a large extent even with that most of the time the RDF forces barely held on, if at all. It took a lot of things going the humans' way to make robotech happen, from a canon perspective (and do remember, they still lost >70% of the human population and the Earth ended up with ~95% of the surface hit with orbital bombardment). There wasn't actually many instances of technological parity except when the SDF got involved... and again, the humans didn't make that. Just incredibly skilled pilots that happened to have tech that let them leverage that abnormally well and said oversized mcguffin mcguffin carrier.

... though yeah, as per furt, the supplementary material outside the actual TV series really did a hell of a good job of making sense of the series itself. The books were the big one, but even other stuff (comics, games, etc.) helped a fair bit, too.

*And if you think that's stupid, you wouldn't entirely be wrong. Iirc there were protoculture exposure issues among other things that had been screwing with the RMs' minds for a long, long time. They were basically brilliant with incredibly bloody impressive technology, but also effectively brain damaged and acting fairly erratically because of it, on top of just kinda' being colossal jackasses to begin with.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 12, 2016, 06:04:54 am »
But I really think that those things were a result of the bits they didn't change. Anything they did change, watered down that theme.
... yeah, this is where I'm finding it kinda' questionable you've actually done much robotech. Forget exactly when, but breetai ends up one of the major military commanders there, as well. Can't quite recall how major, though... it's definitely been a while since I last read through the books.

Though yeah, there's not much zentradi culture. That's because they basically didn't have one to begin with -- that's actually the entire bloody reason they didn't straight wipe the floor with humanity. Even the SDF's ultimate effectiveness hinged on that. And with wozzname's post war go, much of what was left of their hardliners got wiped (along with another chunk of the earth's already mostly gone population). Zentradi expertise and whatnot definitely gets tapped from one end of the post-initial war material to the other, though, and particularly once the hybrids and the relationships that formed them started showing up. The importance and crap of non-humans expands massively over the later material, too, especially in the novels with the later SDFs that start hopping around.

Robotech and macross are... very different, but robotech, particularly once it starts being able to work outside of kludging together macoss's material, does a legitimately pretty good job of coming into its own.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 12, 2016, 05:21:05 am »
... robotech actually has a fair amount of depth. It's just found more in the novels than the TV stuff, though the latter's not really lacking it, exactly, it's just more... disjointed, I suppose. Robotech's overall theme is pretty close to the one you ascribed to macross, too, tbh. Conflict ending up worse than cooperation is slathered all across the series.

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No clue. Site loads just fine for me, at least, and I didn't get any message about security certificates.

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... though I'd probably argue being opposed to the tight-focused stuff is... not the best way of going about things. Holistic's nice, but it's a lot easier to get funding for smaller problems/projects, and help est, et al. Advocating and whatnot's great, just... don't do the enemy of the good thing. Way too many people are intent on that, really.

Any case, wasn't aware of the holiday thing, which, uh. Is normal. Better than half the time these days I don't notice holidays until someone asks how they went a few days later, ha. Still, best wishes for... whoever, really. May we live to see the day it's actually safe for folks to go through that process.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 11, 2016, 11:23:31 pm »
Well, if it had a lizard that was better dressed than you and had several magnitudes more play, it was probably gex. Otherwise, not gex.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 11, 2016, 08:41:03 pm »
You're both so peasant right now that I can't even fucking.

You both are so trash it's ruining my sex life.
The gex life's still going though, right?

... though yeah, I don't really keep up with as much as I used to, by a fairly long shot. I'd apologize, but cross continental anaphrodisiac memetic transfer is a pretty neat superpower.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 11, 2016, 07:56:47 pm »
... the rocket snake has the chocolate Christmas D?

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I tore one of my favorite comics into lil shreds and now I possess 27 avatars, some of which have stupid words on them
and one is a dinosaur octopus dj
E: two, actually
... did one of them start out with a speech bubble with the words "penis envy" in it? Because it looks like one with a purple-faced person had managed to get the tail end of that.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 11, 2016, 07:35:22 pm »
PFFFT!

Someone was refunding Battlerite and I jokingly said "Good gud noob" and went further to explain that it is exactly what the internet would say.

That they basically treat not liking a game as "your problem" instead of you simply not liking a game.

And he responds to me like 2 hours later and admitted I was right, that is exactly what happened.
... "Good gud noob"? That... that was a typo, right? Please, gods, tell me that was a typo.

Because the internet would not say that. The first word would be "Git". Good gud noob is even more nonsensical than MMO trash talk normally gets.

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