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... ctr means shill? Was thinking of asking, but it's too late to put much more effort out. Trying to puzzle out how someone could see that farce as a strong performance for either candidate is more effort than I've got in me at the moment, too.

9557
Eh, it'll matter to some degree. Less than the post-debate, sure, but some. Now whether it'll matter in the face of whatever else happens in the next month, that's a different question.

9558
Honestly, an hour of "fucking parenting drama" probably meant you didn't miss that much. The last hour was more civil and coherent than the first thirty minutes but that wasn't a high bar to pass.

The fact-checking stuff going on post debate is faintly amusing, though. Think more than half of what concrete things trump said was either wrong or an outright lie. Isn't exactly surprising, and clinton did trip up a time or two on that front, but damn.

9559
Pence dumping trump (or the other way around) would be pretty incredible, at the very least. The media/public reaction would be amazing.

E: That said, it looks like pence has tweeted stuff indicating otherwise. Oh well.

9560
Bloody hell it just hit me that sniff is probably going to become a thing, memewise. I'd say kill me now but it's clear I've already died and am just now noticing I'm in hell.

9561
538's thingjigger.

And I'unno smj. I think the sniffling may cost the guy. Was listening instead of watching so I didn't see much of the body language but what I did seemed a bit more in favor of clinton, too. Low expectations being what they are, I can't say if that's going to lean things toward a win for clinton, but *shrugs*

9562
Is it too late to buy stocks in popcorn futures?
It's never too late in your heart. It may be in your wallet, but not your heart.

So guys and gals, tell me: are you guys worried that Trump's arguments about Bill Clinton will have any strength? I know the conventional wisdom is going dirty with Bill is a bad idea, but is there any way he wins points or damages Clinton by doing this? I hope Clinton has a very, very solid idea of how to respond, because he's clearly telegraphed his strategy ahead of time.
I'unno misk. Depends on how he goes about it. I guess theoretically he might be able to manage... something. I'm not sure what, but *shrugs*

I wouldn't give good odds on it turning out well, though. Clinton's been dealing with that line of attack for well over a decade, and from operators both less and significantly more smooth than trump seems capable of. Would imagine him trying would be like a squirrel trying to hump an active wood mulcher.

Will say I'm wondering if security is going to be nearby, though. Could see trump snapping at some point during this.

9563
And a bank robbery, apparently. Most of it's just reports and threats, though, yeah. So far.

9564
... sweet zeus, evopsych's shown up again. All hands abandon ship!

Or at least ditch this for the debate, which is coming up soonish.

E: Actually, now that I think of it this is apparently the campaign cycle of the chronosphere. Maybe if we go clown gank the republicans and steal their time machine(s) we can actually do evopysch research that isn't 110% utter bullshit. It would mean a new day for the field of study! The first day it wasn't pissing on scientific inquiry and indulging in fiction.

9565
... we're talking an american political party, here, and more than that the GOP. Somehow I doubt either of those are much of a concern :V

9566
Man, all I know is that if the worse thing being promised turns out to be animal cruelty I'm going to just lock the door and not go outside until election day. There's a point where it's time to just go, "To hell with this, I quit."

9567
My position is that this type of conversation is relatively inconsequential compared to actual policies which Trump has proposed, and business practices he has enacted. The one person Trump claims to have groped is insignificant next to the millions who are facing deportation or being denied refuge that they desperately need, and the thousands who have been swindled out of their savings or provided services without compensation.
See, though, it's not inconsequential, at all. It may be relatively less consequential, but a person's character and specifically how they treat certain demographics of the population (in this case, roughly half of the bloody thing) is very, very relevant when you're talking consideration for a position that has significant influence on how said demographic is treated. The people trump groped may be insignificant, but the behavior that's displayed by him doing so isn't.

To take it somewhat towards the extremis, me going out and torturing and mutilating a kitten, even if it's just one kitten, is not something that people are going to look at without a great deal of askance. Particularly if it's when I'm well past middle aged, and frankly even if I'm just saying I'd do it. I may not have left a bleeding trail of millions of crippled kittens behind me but that doesn't mean it's not obvious there's almost certainly something seriously wrong with me -- and you damn sure wouldn't want to put me in charge of any pounds, vets, or anything to do with animals in general.

You can question all sorts of things related to most sorts of policy. You can't really question little Furry McNubless worming its way across the floor. And in this case, we got trump lusting after dismembered kitten limbs. Metaphorically. Hopefully.

9568
This is relevant because in the specific scenario Trump described, there is no record of the woman he put his moves on making an issue, and therefore it is not reasonable to assume that it was unwelcome and therefore sexual assault.
... except. Y'know. There are records. Of women he put the moves on making an issue. Iirc even the specific one he was being slime towards in the stuff being primarily discussed has chimed in, and it wasn't "Oh, that's okay." There's been stuff along those lines popping up for at least a few weeks, now, nevermind stuff like the particular recording in question.

Seriously though, if shit like that is normal locker-room talk where you're at, there's something straight up wrong with the area you're in. I've been in locker rooms over the course of my life, and around plenty of people who were letting the proverbial shields down and saying what they please, and those words recorded were not normal. Plenty of vulgar crap of all sorts of sorts, but stuff like trump was saying is notably beyond most pales I've ran into. They'd either identify an incredibly scummy bastard or get met with some notable "WTF dood", from everything I've seen.* And we're talking going backwards, too, before there was all that much of a societal backlash against this shit. It and worse occasionally happens talking wise, but it damn sure ain't common or shrugged off with any regularity.

*Which, hey. Is exactly how the public is reacting. Go figure.

9569
Eh, someone was stabbed to death and left with a clown mask on their head, more specifically. Actual clowns in the performance/job sense haven't seemed to be much involved save for being threatened by folks worried about these other chucklefucks, so far and so far as I'm aware.

But yeah, it's not just a case of people seeing clowns. There's people dressing up as clowns and then doing a fair amount of varying shit of varying degrees of (il)legality. The reaction is definitely excessive but it's not exactly unfounded.

9570
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 09, 2016, 04:03:21 am »
Big pharma is the pharmaceutical industry, notorious for being... lots of things, some quite bad.

And yeah, equal effectiveness is again loco. It helps, not ameliorates in its entirety.

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