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Oh hey, they're animating drifters? That should be interesting. Think the last time I caught up with the manga what looked suspiciously like jesus was playing sauron.

Eh... true enough, but I'm relatively certain that's not what most of the discussion of expanding executive power revolves around >_>

I... think you may be misattributing some voices, UG. I don't think I've noticed too many here change opinions of any particular party, m'self. Personally, about the only one I've shifted on is sanders, iirc. My opinion of the party itself is pretty irrelevant to how his interactions with it have panned out. Maybe clinton a bit as well... I definitely wasn't as aware of her actual history a year or two ago, and a fair bit less troubled by the prospect of her as POTUS. Still would prefer someone a bit further left (just... without the issues the current batch of notable ones seem to have), but eh.

And certainly some of Sanders' supporters have been even more of a shit than he has. His own behavior has definitely turned me off of him more than anything they've done, though. Some of that has included his interactions with em, but *shrugs*

Even if he's gone back to labeling himself an independent, hasn't he been dutifully endorsing Hillary ever since he lost the primary?

He has, but that doesn't change that it's functionally backstabbing the organization he just spent several months taking significant advantage of. Well, backstabbing more. Dude got a metric fuckton more out of the democrat party than he put in, and then promptly dipped when metric fuckton didn't end up being goddamn everything. "Hey, thanks for giving me what was probably the largest political boost of my goddamn career! Peace out chumps. What? Help you folks some in return? Nah." Except it was less "thanks" and more "fuck you". Since, y'know. He may be endorsing clinton but he also seems fairly intent on pissing on the group he just used (fucked over, to a fair extent, really) to drastically improve his visibility and crap.

Sanders seems to be intent on making it really damn clear he ran as a democrat in bad faith, with zero intention of actually doing much of anything for the party except take advantage of the name for a campaign cycle. Doesn't sit right with me at all, y'know? If he'd stayed independent from the beginning it wouldn't bother me much, if at all, (and he probably wouldn't have made the news basically at all, but still), but that's not how he decided to play things out.

I'll be a little less pissed if it actually turns out he does what that aide said, or makes at least some sort of notable contributions to the organization he just got a serious boost from in the interim, but, again. From how this election cycle's played out my expectations of sanders vis a vis that sort of integrity are pretty damn low.

It's basically cheating to ask elected democratic officials to vote for the democrat who is the standard bearer for their cause and not the man who only signed up to highjack the party and left the nanosecond he lost. /s

Huh. Y'know, I hadn't noticed he actually did go back to being independent when he returned to the senate, and indeed basically goddamn immediately. Had wondered previously if he was going to do that or not, but apparently so and even more shamelessly than I was expecting. I guess theoretically he could actually be doing what the aide said and holding that particular position as one, and will return to claiming to be a democrat after, but... at this point, I don't think I'm going to be holding my breath.

Seriously bloody regret my primary vote at this point, for all I made it expecting th'guy to lose my state. I may like some of the positions sanders pushed for but he's been pretty damn scummy this past year or so. Definitely more than a little disappointing. Kinda' liked the guy before this campaign cycle started

Didn't notice, heh. Still... fairly wrong, though. Or rather there's a number of other things (we've got this whole vitamin industry that actually does helpful things at times, ferex) that actually do something that could be used for that purpose instead. Instead of relying on an outright scam, and letting fraudsters (or crazy folks/gullible idiots) exploit our population and feed the weaker among us buckets of sodding lies.

Also can remember good ol' homeopathy has a noted inclination towards making the folks that use it and believe it works not go to the goddamn doctor. Or not listen when they do. I'd say most or all of its efficacy at providing placebos is offset by that alone, never mind all the other problems with it. Works isn't the word I'd use.

Oh, no doubt. But there's pretty strong circumstantial evidence when an artist starts out producing nothing but SFW content and gradually slides into NSFW until that's all they do. And I'm not including tasteful art that'd get a NSFW label for nudity in that, either. Just a wee bit different from the obvious-horny-teenager sorts that begin, carry, and conclude their foray into creative writing with stories that are functionally excuse-plots which exist for the sole purpose of letting their characters of choice boink.

The opposite happens plenty, too, though. Folks that transition into SFW and then basically can't share stuff they enjoy making (i.e. nsfw stuff) anymore because of the effect it would have on the consumption of their other material. Or start sfw and then don't really get to expand because of similar concerns. Certainly some folks (let themselves) get drug down to the lowest common denominator, but that's everywhere, and not even remotely unusually prolific when it comes to matters of lasciviousness, at least from what I've noticed over the last couple decades.

That's the main problem with it for me. Porn is the visual equivalent of mindless lemon fics/supermarket bodice-rippers, goofy unrealistic shit that's more disturbing than arousing.

... it can be, anyway. There's also plenty that's... not. Stuff that's amusing, touching, involve pretty impressive character interaction or settings, so on and so forth. Probably less often with the live action stuff, but we've been talking th'other sort. It's a genre of creative work that's like any other, just one with somewhat different goals, methods, and so on -- more freedom in some ways, less in others. There's a lot of potential in the incitement of arousal (or even just the exploration of sexual situations) that gets explored, and doesn't quite have equivalents in material that's more... tame. Whole other set of angles and focuses and expressions and so on that just don't get touched on in other venues much, if at all.

Though sometimes being goofy and unrealistic is half the point, heh. Ain't nothin' wrong with that so long as someone's (preferably both creator and audience, but it can be one or the other, too) enjoying it. Fun is fun, et al. And there's a fair amount out there that's pretty easy to enjoy even if you're not specifically aroused by it at that moment in time. At least if you're not (intentionally or otherwise) trying to sabotage your own enjoyment

... what? I thought you enjoyed porn? I'm pretty sure max isn't talking about the news side of sankaku.