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... so there's apparently been another update. Seems to be a fair bunch of desert stuff, primarily.

I swear, at this point it half feels like they're doing it just to screw with mod makers.

Take your touhou porn and get out =_=

There is that. From a fatigue perspective it might even be better to just use ironskin and not bother with the black plate... thing's always kinda' iffy on non-undead/lifeless anyway, at least if you intend for them to actually fight much. Forge up something with reinvig instead or along those lines.

Petrify has an MR check (though saving just paralyzes you instead of killing you) and doesn't work against stuff that's already stone (so thrones with watchers would probably be a no-go, ferex. Said thones would also tear that spirit into pieces without much effort, but that's neither here nor there.). Everything else is fair game, so far as I can recall. It's the spell, more or less.

It definitely works on undead, heh. One of the reasons it takes a number of VotD casts before you can dogpile a gorgon (or something with the aegis) with spirits long enough the turn limit kills it. Also one of the reasons VotD's so effective against 'er -- the petrify kills whole hosts of the spirits every time the spell gets through, usually about doubling the amount that attacks with each successive cast.

And yeah, I don't think I was even aware about the fear thing. Still not something I'd rely on for throne stomping, though. Awe and fear both generally have the same problems, and those problems as mentioned like to show up on thrones. Though the earth prot does stack, yes. Still... I'unno. Protection's there but if you're not fatigue neutral you might as well not bother if you're going to try to solo armies with it. You'll last a bit longer but you'll still die, most likely sooner than later.

If you get lucky with thrones it could be possible, but if there's enough ones with mindless or 'zerking enemies to keep you from getting a throne win you're probably SOL.

E: ... honestly, thinking on it a little, the more reliable thing with this strategy would probably be to just attack the enemy capitals. Drop the pretender on top of one and then dig your way to their capital with troops, rinse and repeat. Thrones would be able to kill that thing a lot sooner than most nations would be.

E2: Though now I'm wondering if there's some kind of KKV strategy possible. Instead of a hooded spirit, take a monolith and literally teleport them (or wind trapeze or something) on top of the thrones. Make sure you have fire shield or something and then call it a day :V

I'unno, something like that I'd probably be eyeballing a gorgon or somethin' instead. Bit more likely to be able to actually deal with throne guardians, still fast enough that unless the map is genuinely gigantic you're still going to nab the thrones faster than anyone can really react. Probably able to manage it without tanking your everything quite so badly, too.

... why are the scales being tanked so hard, anyway? There didn't seem to be anything in that setup that actually required E9 or D9, and at the very least if someone's bumping it for research points the death pickup makes zero sense. I'm actually getting more confused the more I try to figure it out

Don't take death at all and there's a full two scales back in the bank. Don't take death nine and that's... more scales. Even if you still take N or W up to compensate for the RP loss. Similarly if black plate's all you're forging E9 is way excessive... same for the dominion. If you're planning on ending the game in 7+2n turns or flaming out, there's no real point in taking more than maybe dom six or seven, at most.

E: Though looking at it a bit, the real trick here would be to use that as a disciple, with a multibless god. Everything you had before plus bless, and if you do it as fast as you should be the HP concerns don't happen.

E2: Could even make sure it's a god nation (or another disciple, or both) that has easy access to the forging you need to do, plus probably some research boosters. Then they can do the item forging and funnel RP/gold into you to speed up the research.

E3: Oooh, the dom 10 is for the awe. Forgot about that. No wonder it's such a crapshoot :V Awe's nice but a fair number of things just outright ignore it, and some of said things very much like to sit on top of thrones. Dom 9 should still work for that anyway, iirc... more points you can put in something more useful for the goal at hand.

E4: Though @Kag, if you're going that route, the spenta mainyu would probably be better... also a teleporter, also ethereal, but built in awe 5, and some pretty decent combat stats to boot (double the siddha's health, among other things). No stealth, though, but that really shouldn't be a problem... if you're intending to step on throne provinces and can't do it to indies you might as well not try

Bit expensive, though. You can still nab the E and A required for mistform and black plate without much issue even as a disciple, though. Could also consider something like a solar disc... not a teleporter, but mapmove 5 and a pretty nasty combatant. Can't wear the plate, but eh.

... there were any of those here? I mean, there probably are, but I don't think any of them spoke up.

"Beastiality" doesn't strike me as the right word, though. That should be reserved for "interactions" with non-sapient life.

You could still expect it to be used, especially by xenophobic prudes and some of whatever approaches their position. Bloody word was bandied about about friggin' humans, nevermind things that actually aren't.

Incidentally I think the word is xenophile, it just happens to also be used (and probably more often, to boot) to denote an attitude less... carnal.

And yeah, convergent evolution would be needed for reproduction, not stimulation. Humans being humans and intelligence being intelligence, if it's not literally deadly (and probably if it is, too, with proper equipment), the latter will happen. Probably quite quickly if there's not some serious psychological mismatch or somethin'. I'd wager there's probably at least a few hundred thousand folks alive today that would go down on a xenomorph if it didn't kill 'em _{and some fraction that would even if it did, but it's probably best to mention that no further}

Honestly, it's one of the things I think I like most about my species. Sooner or later we will poke it with a stick, try to eat it, and/or try to use it for (self)pleasure (not necessarily in that order). The only exceptions being things that kill us before we can get close enough to try, and even that's increasingly less absolute as our technological prowess grows.

Sounds about right.

Also worth noting that with enough MA and stats, you can punch mecha to death with your bare hands. It takes a lot, but you can do it.