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... y'know, I found out recently-ish that apparently dk64 has a vaguely horrible reputation. Apparently folks are of the general opinion it's kinda' terrible.

Think I actually beat it when I was younger. I remember liking it, even. Watching a bit of an LP a bit ago was painful, though. Looked a lot worse than I remembered it being, heh.

Eh, probably half of it isn't new invasions. It's that you're getting more of them. Because you're getting more events. And in the case of ermor & co, on top of no longer having PD (save the one commander, I guess).

Though I coulda' sworn T3 opened up some new stuff. Maybe it was back in D3? Eh. Still, if all it takes is turmoil 1, no longer will I be taking T1 :V

Kinda' wish someone would do a proper breakdown of the events, though. There's lists, but no "This is how many events scale X brings in" sort of thing. Nice summary of however many number of the different sorts (gold, gems, items, invasions, units, etc.) of events come in at what points would be a helluva handy reference. Also be neat to see if there's a sort of optimal event setup, where you maximize the number of potential good events and minimize the number of poor ones... trim the pool to be in your favor, basically.

Evil they may or may not be, assholes they definitely are.

The 'Not Asshole' faction of 40k would also split apart near immediately since they all have huge differences of morality and ethics that make working together, even to defeat the literal soul eating monsters from another dimension, highly distasteful to them all.

... since when did WH40k have a non-asshole faction?

Also pretty sure more than the porcelain god god is an existential threat to chaos. Both the 'crons and the 'nids could manage it, iirc. Or at least the oldcrons could, and I'm assuming the new ones are able to do something similar.

You can do that. Taking turmoil scales does unlock some bad events, which dilutes the pool of random events you want to aim for by getting lots of random events, but it's not incredibly terrible in my experience.

You can try that. It's a theory oft tested on the domkill nations (that aren't r'yleh). I've actually done it quite a lot both in Dom 3 and 4, which is why I've stopped :V

You can still play through it with usually (usually) not much trouble, but mostly it's just notably likely to be freakishly annoying. Invasions every other turn, all sorts of irritants popping up in your message log, etc., etc., etc. Particularly with the changes in Dom 4 to PD, I very much don't think it's worth it, especially for the non-r'yleh domkill nations -- tank everything but order, luck, and magic, basically (and/or growth, for asphodel), otherwise you're going to be spending half your time reconquering provinces in your backline with your freespawn (or just leaving chunks there, which is bad enough) instead of sending them to the front to do something useful. It's playable, but I don't really find it fun to play anymore.

Turmoil two (or maybe one, depending on how bad the T2 unlocked stuff is... I had remembered most of the major problems being T3, but it's definitely possibly I was misremembering) is about as low as I'd recommend, and even then... if you're doing it, you're doing it for gems and magic items, not gold. Luck 3 and Order 1+ will net you significantly more cash if you're going high luck primarily for that, even with the reduced events and playing a popkill nation. The order positive events can be hella' sexy -- free castles, gigantic lumps of dosh (iirc the largest single gold event is order locked, somewhere in the range of 3k in one go), that sort of junk.

I've... forgot. And am entirely too tired to check. But I want to say there's something with the non-mech transport system (buses et al, in GH1) that lets you ferry SF:1+ machines around for a price. Could definitely be wrong, but that's the bell that's ringing.

Never turmoil 3. There's basically nothing those points can give you that's worth the events it enables/makes more likely. That's the major thing. After that is conditional, but unless you're ermor or lemuria (or something with chaos power, I guess, but I've never noticed the power effects be very impactful) order is better (though it doesn't exactly hurt for those two, either) and misfortune is a pain in the rear for everyone (marginally less for those two or three that use a lot of fortunetellers, maybe), soooo...

Turmoil is generally the last scale I'll dump, and I take misfortune precisely never. Not even for a multibless. Everything is permissible except bloody misfortune. I'll take luck 0 but that's as far down as it goes. Far as I'm concerned that scale only has four options and none of them give you extra points.

Quote from: Frumple on September 07, 2016, 10:00:20 pm

Pretty sure the necron are more or less theocratic, too... the oldcron definitely were, at least.

The only Necrons who serve the C'tan are automatons. Unless you consider yourself the god of your electronics, that doesn't count. And the deific status of the C'tan in general is questionable as outlined before.

The actual deific status is kinda' irrelevant, really. If the things work like a god so far as their group is concerned (and the c'tan definitely do that much, at least) whether they are or not is functionally identical, by and large. Could definitely be different with the newcron, though. I have zero clue what this guys are doing these days.

And hey, the law of power thing is basically exactly what I was talking about. Rest of it, too. The actual manifestation of spiritual beliefs have little to no defined form. If they're doing what they're doing to contend with what they see as a god and protect their soul at the same time, whether they enjoy it or not doesn't matter in the slightest. If you've structured your entire civilization around the maintenance of your soul and attendance of your spiritual needs... you're looking at a religion. Even if that religion holds the law of power most sacrosanct, dedicates its methods to fending off the attention of its deity, and attends those needs with violent debauchery.