Yeah, I probably do have unresolved issues with them and they probably would use that against me, again. Not a saint but I didn't do anything that bad to them, at all. I told him he isn't making any sense and that he needs to explain things, but you were right, he won't.
So far it hasn't changed how he communicates, and I haven't brought up the "if I ask her what this is about, what is she going to say?" thing. You may be right, but it just seems like a hornet's nest. Those two have always fought like hell, all through my life and theirs. Basically they're too old to get divorced and have been for a long time, if it's about them not getting along. In the 70s, after 45-50 or so years of marriage, multiple health issues, and now memory problems, what is he going to do to, leave her? This is not really a practical option with any solution. You hate to say it, but his choices are catching up with him at the end....
Sorry about your situation man. I can sorta kinda relate. I think you had some really good points. They must not trust me to know what is going on, and depending on what it is (that I don't know), I might not want anything to do with it if I did know. They don't want to tell me anything but just want me to do things without knowing. And of course no benefit for me, not even money necessarily but even being nice or hanging out decently or even a reciprocal favor (I would not trust one of them to pick me up). There's really no reason for that.
I've heard about "boundaries," but it's like they haven't. Every time I try to mention anything like that, they act like they don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm nuts or something. I'm not asking everyone to be sober around me, but I don't want to be in a place where everyone is basically completely drunk. It wouldn't be impossible for me to come around the beginning of something, before everyone got plastered, and leave before everyone got plastered. I won't say don't have a drink at all, but there's a difference between a drink, and all the drinks. I know it is better for me if I am not around completely irresponsible drinking. Just chill out and ease into it for like an hour or so. Put it this way, I can see where I got it from. They'll do big things for other family members, but not even little ones for me. Basic respect that should be shown to basically everyone....
And yeah, they've basically abused their family positions to extort me for a long time. Except now I'm not giving them what they want and it is a complete shock to them. All of this is a bitter pill to swallow: your own family being toxic, exploitative and basically not really caring about you....
O yeah. Gaslighting, on basically everything. Along with crushed self image/worth to go with their narcissistic abuse. Explaining things different ways isn't necessarily the bad part. The bad part is what they're explaining: they're awesome and we all suck.... It's amazing. I haven't had contact with them since I started this thread. The issues are still out there of course, but it's funny how people don't scream at one another like they do. I still hear it in my head (not hallucinating it, but just remembering it) because that was kind of their goal: make you remember their bullshit and accept it.
The holidays are going to suck. I have some friends that are having me over for thanksgiving, but christmas is going to be shit. I am probably not going to be going over their place. I'm mostly kind of numb to it, as I haven't really seen my family for a long time. Still kinda sucks, and it gets to me sometimes but I'm used to how it sucks. I look back and realize every thing was basically horrible, especially around the holidays. Sometimes no one would come together, and sometimes, worse, they would and maybe the police got called and maybe they didn't. Not really looking for sympathy on this one, but it's kinda a weird problem to have to solve.
I'm happier sober overall, and I know it's better for my for health, emotions, mental state, financial, and all that. Oddly it comes with weird costs, and I think people may be right that they feel oddly threatened by me trying to better myself/want to take whatever material or immaterial thing I have. They have before and they want to do it now.
Dad is not going to tell me what is going on, except that he believes Mom and sibling are up to some shady stuff. Mom is flat out not going to tell me anything, (and really dad isn't either). I don't have solutions to his problems, but they are also problems he got himself into and wouldn't do anything about. Now he basically wants me to not only solve his problems, but solve them without knowing what they are. I can't believe it but we've basically moved from completely unreasonable/maybe even impossible, into completely nonsensical/no way to do it anyhow.