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Well, it might depend on how happy the successful ones are vs how unhappy the others are.

And don't forget the kids. Maybe children will eventually have a "Play with toys" job that they'll be made unhappy if they can't satisfy... and if the kids are unhappy enough, not only that bunch, but some of their friends, too, might pack up and move for greener uh... greyer... tunnels. Or something.

Wooden fortifications maybe?  Build a wooden wall then carve fortifications into it.  You could also try building some stone grates at your mason's workshop.

You can also build fortifications directly, though they won't be load-bearing if that matters.

Wall grates of any kind(wood or stone) work similar to built fortifications, but can also be rigged to a switch to open.

Grates are NOT like floodgates. Floodgates block fluid, grates do not. And I'm pretty sure floodgates already CAN be built anywhere. Floodgates are like doors that can be built anywhere, but A) need to be linked to mechanisms and B) have a delay in their operation. Grates specifically don't block fluids - and I'm not sure about projectiles; someone may be able to weigh in on that.

Short version: Fortifications(possibly with grates to serve as gates) are probably the closest you can get to a "fence".

I believe this is contingent on overland movement in general, and I think that's planned with the caravan arc if not before.

As it is, immigrants are generated when they arrive on the map. At such time as they're actual units, which come from another civilization site to your fortress, emigration will be possible as well.

The main problem I can see with it is being deprived of key workers. Maybe dwarves will only leave if they're inferior in some skill the fortress has a surplus of? (i.e. they're spending time idle or otherwise not doing their skilled labours)

Exactly what I was getting at; sorry if I said it badly.

Ed.: Let's not forget the plants. Saltrice, for instance, can be brewed into mazte. Comberry, as well as having presumably edible berries, is brewed into greef and shein; pick one for the mod, I suppose.

Showing agreement-adjusted prices in the bring-to-depot menu may be a possible solution for that; but it's not really what the thread focuses on and I'm sure there have been plenty of threads about the actual trading interface itself. If not, then, well, shoving it here makes as much sense as any I suppose.

I would be happy if only I could see what they requested last throughout the year, instead of only when they return and it is entirely to late to actually make the requested goods.

You can. Use the {c}iv menu.

Logic schmogic, it's a game, and the liaison is an attempt at a "realistic" implementation of a game mechanic that would otherwise be done with menus alone.  Unfortunately the implementation is annoying.  I'd personally be satisfied with keeping the the little liaison twit if he didn't interrupt multiple times and take nearly a whole season to run through his spiel.  It's a demand projection, not a trade summit.  Run through the whole thing on ONE screen, realism be damned.

Well, I can understand wanting to tone it down; that's why I'd want it to be a separate screen where you set your prefs when you want, and they stay that way unless you change them. The details of how much the liaison will get in your face can vary. With this system in place, you could arguably have it so they don't pop up anything at all, just drop a few messages into the queue - but this might be something users would want as an option so they don't miss it entirely.

Another way to ensure your mechanic makes bauxite mechanisms, which I'm surprised nobody has mentioned, is to lock him in with only the workshop and the bauxite.

Mind, however, that pumps themselves do not need to be magma safe. I've pumped many a magma flow with copper components and random stone block. Just don't use something that can burn.

Some things about plants can be well controlled. You can say what the name of booze is, and specify its value.

Some things are a bit iffy. You can say that a plant can be milled, and the name and value of the mill product, and whether it'd be used for milling and/or for cooking(or, if neither, purely as a trade good, presumably). But it's the same mill product for each, which is less than desirable. Also, extracts to barrel and vial are mutually exclusive.

Some things are very poorly controlled. Thread is a binary argument, and with leaves you only control the number you get. You cannot control the name, nor the price.

And some things are inconsistent. Seeds require separate tags for name and color, which none of the other plant products do.

The following may become more sensible if plants have structure in the future, and specific uses can be assigned to specific parts of the plant(do you mill the leaves, or just use them whole as an herb?), but under the current model, it's not like anyone is likely to have an insufficiency of plants, so inefficient usage isn't a terrible thing.

So.

First off, I think the token format should be standardized. The most egregious offender here is seeds. Instead of having:

• SEEDNAME:name
• SEED:fg:bg:br

...I think it should just be SEED:name:fg:bg:br. Similarly, THREAD and LEAVES could be put together in the same format(I wanted to name my spicy succulent's product "zinger spines", but I get "zinger spine leaves"; "fronds" are another thing the user may want, or "fiddleheads". And it's not "flax thread", it's "linen thread").

Instead of a single EXTRACT: with the various tokens to say how you get it, it could instead be EXTRACT_VIAL, EXTRACT_STILL, EXTRACT_BARREL, and plain old EXTRACT, all with the same format of the current EXTRACT token, and all with corresponding EXTRACT_XXXX_VALUE tokens with a sensible default for that method of extraction, and EXTRACT_XXXX_COOKABLE. And while we're at it, THREAD_VALUE and LEAVES_VALUE would be nice, too. And SEED_VALUE.

SEED_COOKABLE would be nice, too. I don't think people normally eat loose wheat seeds, they just use the flour; but it would also allow for seeds that are just plain inedible to be realized.

So far this has just been extension of the existing format, and I'm not going to go into great detail on the farming process when I'm sure there are many, many threads about it; but I'd like to add that having a way to make the seed not available for purchase (SEED_RARE?) could give herbalism some more use.