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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FALLEN SORORITA BECAUSE THEIR FAITH IS JUST TOO STRONG. THEY ARE UNFAILABLE UNDOMINABLE DAUGHTERS OF THE EMPEROR. ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A SLANNESHI FETISHISTS WHO TRIES TO GET HIS CRAZY SEXUAL FANTASIES FULFILLED BUT WILL INSTEAD GET PURGED BY THE RIGHTEOUS SISTERS.
That would explain why the Grey Knights had to coat themselves in their blood, after all

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It's not about siding against him, Crashmaster, it's about how many people voted for him versus how many people could have voted for him. Hillary also only got like 25% of the electorate.

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The Emperor will

After all, he had front row tickets, with the way she was 'praying' to him the whole time.

Only real relief he gets, really. Other than badass explosions, but usually no one's praying during those while watching them. Maybe while getting blown the fuck up by them, but...

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If Trump eliminates all of our environmental plans, and that's basically what he promised to do, undoing the damage could take decades thanks to dumbass government inertia when what we need to be doing is radically expanding it. We are out of time. We're going to be "fixing" this when it's already too late to halt.
You don't think the massive backlash, first evidenced directly here right now when it's not even been a week since he was elected, of Dems, environmentalists, non-environmentalists who are now having to deal with water/smog issues on a very personal level, and etc. won't be enough to elect the shit out of people who will get that ball rolling?

Similarly, I have a guess that if the Trump administration actually starts doing terrible things to marginalized communities, that once he's out of office come 2020, the social justice movement will be gorged so heavily on mounds upon mounds of injustice and outrage-material that the force of it's belches will impact government policy. If actual turf wars don't end up starting between newly-inspired neonazi groups and various communities and/or gangs.

Government is plastic, but democracy is elastic. This is gonna be one hell of a bender, no matter which way it goes.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 13, 2016, 10:52:38 pm »

And good fuckin' gods, never thought I'd ever be thankful for the neocons or the Israel lobby sticking their respective grubby hands into our foreign policy, but reneging on our NATO obligations would be monumentally stupid.
It's all about moderation :P An extreme either way tends to be bad, so when you have one extreme threatening, you tend to be grateful for the other.

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If Trump somehow does a complete 180...

Well, I hope his prospective Cabinet isn't getting very used to their offices?
*snip*
These are no more the End Times than Andrew Jackson taking over was the end times. Whether he wants us to take a collective shit on the environment or not, four years is not going to obliterate the earth and raise the sea levels forty feet.

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Debt-based economies are rather fragile, unfortunately. >.> I would very much like to see several aspects of Islamic banking practice become the norm.

Such as....?
Not being allowed to charge interest on loans. In practice though, modern islamic banks don't adhere to it, and circumvent it in many ways.
Well, not exactly. Or rather, that's not exactly the part I like.

A lot of islamic banking has the lender and borrower sharing risk, rather than all of it falling on the borrower, essentially. They also don't do debt/credit with interest rates, they do flat deals where the bank makes a predetermined profit; which also makes it harder for the bank to gouge borrowers with fees and the like.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/donald-trump-60-minutes-first-interview/index.html?adkey=bn  He supports ditching the electoral college, or in favor of getting rid of it, which is cool. No surprise that he is trending more liberal.

Of course though, so many people on both sides of the aisle hate the EC that it wouldn't matter whether he favored getting rid of it or not, though getting rid of it would actually be a political plus most likely.
Watch in wonder, awe, and no small amount of fear as Donald does a complete 180 on almost all his shitty platform ideas over the next 18 months and truly manages to make America Great Again, while keeping the views that everyone mostly agrees on

And the only thing he leaves us to regret is how much we spent on the fucking wall

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I would not characterize it as greed.

Not that greed isn't involved, it just seems to miss the point.

Currency has become so universally trade-able, and everything so reliant upon it, that it has become capital in and of itself, and the potential for it to be used (invested) has become it's principal value, which results in people trying to create value by allocating it to the right places (and capture the created value for themselves, obviously). The issue arises when the whole process is so obscure and hard to figure out that it becomes a breeding ground for people who are effectively swindlers. Moreover, when money=power=status, the typical means of correcting defective behavior, from an evolutionary standpoint, fails, as reputation losses can be overcome easily as long as you retain wealth. Likewise, as it serves as a lever for power, and is a more effective lever the more different types of power it can be translated into, wealth sustains itself and tries to prevent it's own confiscation. Add to that the 'taxation market' that drives taxes down on the rich who can move at leisure, and you have issues for anyone who isn't already there. It is not impossible to become rich, it's just really hard, and requires more than just work; it needs luck. Luck for something to not go wrong as much as luck for something to go right.

It's a cultural construct I suppose, but so are group dynamics and familial interactions. I look at it like an ecosystem or organism or what-have-you. It follows certain laws as a tendency (not a hard rule), but these laws interact with themselves and each other and are complex enough that it can be really difficult to figure out which levers to push and how hard they need to be pushed, especially with how intimately it interacts with human psychology.

It's meant to serve as a way of allocating resources effectively when there's not enough to go around perfectly. Which means when there is enough, and it's a necessity, it runs into problems.

We do have wage caps on CEOs, I believe, there's just no cap on bonuses. I figure that past a million dollars a year, personal income can be taxed around 95%, and that bonuses shouldn't be higher than your annual salary.

Debt-based economies are rather fragile, unfortunately. >.> I would very much like to see several aspects of Islamic banking practice become the norm.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 13, 2016, 06:00:24 pm »
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He is also going forward with the wall of his. Well, fence, in some locations. My first thought: weren't there already a fence? The U.S.-Mexico border is very, very long, but I thought the entire stretch had some fencing, at least. Suddenly, it all sounds a bit more reasonable...

It doesn't. The wall is both useless and impossible
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602494/bad-math-props-up-trumps-border-wall/

Oh... Oh, dear. Yes, that is not very reasonable. A wall won't do enough to justify that kind of cost. I think I've misjudged exactly how long and difficult the border actually is. Maybe some very basic fencing, but even then, would it be worth it?
Don't forget the cost of the parapets, the hoardings, the ammunition stores, and manning the trebuchets and ballistae. Although you could probably get some back from the tourism, and Medieval Times might work with us; it'd be pretty lucrative for them, after all, and borders are great places for gift shops.

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And... that's right, rol. There is only so much they can use up. Andrea taps that, too, just now. It's a major part of why increasing production efficiency hasn't resulted in an increasing workforce.

To supplement some of what 's said above, some of y'all seem to be forgetting demand and market saturation. You can't just infinitely ramp up your production and expect things to turn out well -- if no one's buying, or no one's willing to buy for more than it costs you to make, pumping out more stuff does sod all except lose you money and the ability to support what workers you did. If it's reached the point where the market just doesn't need the gubbin(s) your factory is tooled to build, or doesn't need nearly as much of it, or has stopping growing as quickly and no longer can support you increasing production as quickly, again, pumping out more does sod all.

Sometimes retooling is an option but there's a whole host of new variables that brings in, and it all it does is kick the can down the road a bit. The human population and especially those with the resources to buy stuff by and large hasn't been growing faster than our improvement in making crap -- that's one (of the myriad) reason(s) manufacturing et al caps, just hard, flat caps at a point and stops being able to keep up with increases in potential new workers. It certainly wouldn't keep up if we had been increasing workforce and subsequent output hand in hand with production.

It's, like. Materially, workforce, etc., etc. We could ramp up vehicle production, just as an example. We could ramp up vehicle production so much we would have literal mountains of vehicles (well, more of them, anyway) with no one to sell to and nothing to do with them, sitting there rotting, and then what? Broken window theory and the resulting mess of rusting steel only does so much, and there's other issues to consider as well (limited resources, mostly).

Or to point to something RP said, they were wrong when they flipped it. Flat Production Amount that we need a certain number of people to support is exactly what's going on, because more production past a certain point is less than useless.

... all that said, productivity gains isn't what's been causing QoL life loss in the areas manufacturing et al changes are hitting the hardest. Not adapting to it is what's causing that. Not retraining, not moving, not using the existent infrastructure (what there is) and expertise to dig out new markets, not having prepared for what was coming before the work started leaving. Far from all of that is even remotely the workers' fault (again, note everything I've mentioned previously re: funding, and add on to that the next to zero incentive businesses that more or less own towns have to future proof them), but... the QoL drop could have been avoided, or at least significantly mitigated. "All" it would have taken was everyone that had been working to reduce the funding and resources aimed at fixing the problem dropping dead, or at least out of politics, about fifty or sixty years ago.
But we haven't reached those limits yet, or we don't need to have. My point is that capitalist economics is, at it's core, about continuous trade of value between individuals which serves to produce, increase, or maximize the value of the goods or services being traded. If the generalized 'you' of manufacturers and their equivalents across different industries re-invest in their workers so that they have money to buy shit with, that creates the market which enables them to continue growing. The health of an economy is not measured by size but by motion; the higher the proportion of value that is transferring, and the more individuals it's able to transfer between, the healthier the market. When currency/value collects and goes unspent/untransferred, it's like a clot, except instead of being a sudden heart attack, it's a slow decline in health. So maybe more similar to toxins collecting in your liver or kidneys. Other than bubbles, at least.

More production of any one specific good past a specific point is useless, but production as a whole is not, as long as the economy is healthy. If the market of primary necessities is saturated, the market for secondary necessities remains open. If the market for secondary necessities is saturated, the market for supplementals remains open. If the market for supplementals is saturated, the market for luxuries remains open. The market for luxuries always remains open, so long as you are reinvesting in your market base to make sure they're healthy. It's like soil; you can just try to extract every bit of nutritional value and then move on, but you can only manage that for so long until it's all wasteland and you can't farm anymore.

...That said, manufacturing is not the only means of production, so I guess we're basically saying the same thing? I'm just saying that the markets don't need to be saturated anyway. And unless sale prices are already equal to cost-of-production+distribution, then there can still be more production without oversaturation.

EDIT: also it's super confusing when someone refers to Rolan and I in the same post since I'm not sure who they're referring to when they say 'rol'. In fact I'm still uncertain now since I'm not seeing Rolan's comment in the recent stuff

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It seems extremely counter-intuitive to me to say that productivity gains are the cause of decreasing quality of life for so many Americans.

No, seriously, just think about how the interaction should go.

It shouldn't be Flat Production Amount that we need a certain number of people to support.

It should be Flat People Amount that we can produce a certain amount of goods with, no?

The ideal and rationale behind productivity gains being a good thing overall is that because you need fewer people to produce the same amount of goods, you can produce more with the same amount of people. Thereby, you increase the amount of goods available to everyone, and the value in the system as a whole goes up.

So, where is the loss going? Why isn't new industry starting to grab those individuals with skills, out of a job, who would be willing to take somewhat below standard wages for their position, as long as they can have a job?

@MSH: I dunno about how true that is for the US, which really doesn't have a very high pop. density.

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They could reinstate the draft. Though the generals who refused would likely be fired or court martialed.

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Yes I know Reelya I was making a funny :P

Men probably overreport while women probably underreport, or different standards for whom/what they consider a partner/sex, or all of the above.

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Well, the short answer is you can't trust people's responses in these surveys.

The survey with 8.6 vs 31.9 was actually life-time prevalence for a cohort in their late 40's. The numbers represent the average number of individual sexual partners in their lifetimes. Coming up with explanations is always interesting because the explanations usually defy common beliefs, or are at odds with other research.

I don't really know about the libido thing. But the fact that women systematically seem to minimize the number of sexual partners they have might mean their answers on "libido" surveys are also suspect. After all, if men are actually counting the number of ladies they've been with, those ladies must have been with the same number of men, yet they only report 1/3rd the number of partners, so they're under-counting by 2/3rds. And even if men are exaggerating: they're probably exaggerating their libido on those surveys as well.
Or there's a lot more...experimentation...by guys than gals.

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Still never quite sure where this IRC I always see hinted at is. :/

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