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Check menu of skill Goom-Bess made: (8 )  +Tomcost, +monk12, +Xanmyral, +flameboy99, +Toaster, +flabort, +Solymr, +NAV
Goom-Bess: Tattle and Scan KitKat:  (7)  +monk12, +Xanmyral, +flameboy99, +Toaster, +flabort, +Solymr, +NAV
Read Stolen Letters (check names first):  (7)  +monk12, +Xanmyral, +flameboy99, +Toaster, +flabort, +Solymr, +NAV
Pet the kitty:  (7)  +monk12, +Xanmyral, +flameboy99, +Toaster, +flabort, +Solymr, +NAV
Astral Influx to Cherish:  (7)  +monk12, +Xanmyral, +flameboy99, +Toaster, +flabort, +Solymr, +NAV
Goombess to Active and Slog to Passive:  (7)  +monk12, +Xanmyral, +flameboy99, +Toaster, +flabort, +Solymr, +NAV
Ciro: Reabsorb Drill:  (6)  +monk12, +Xanmyral, +flameboy99, +Toaster, +Solymr, +NAV, +swordsmith04, -flabort
Heal/overheal SP with hat:  (6) +Wolfkit, +Ochita, +Toaster, +flabort, +Solymr, +NAV
Ask Goom-Bess who Grey Lady is:  (4)  +monk12, +Xanmyral, +flameboy99, +Toaster
Ciro: Bloodshape Wizard Staff:  (4)  +monk12, +Xanmyral, +flameboy99, +Toaster
Return to Ripriver: (2) +Objective, +Omeganaut
Try out Cherish's new skill:  (1) +Tomcost, +Toaster, -flabort
Heal KitKat: (1) +WolfKit
Check Merc list: (1) +Toaster
Store KitKat/Cherish inventory, KitKat copies Cherish: (1) +Ochita
Astral Influx to Ciro:  (0) +Arcvasti, -flabort
Find out what Genetic Recess does: (0) +Objective, -flabort
cat: (0) +Slayerhero90, -flabort

Green= +1
Red = -1

We should just go back to DL 4 and continue on!

Are you still looking for replacements?  I have been wondering about 4e, and considering 5e is becoming a thing, I'd rather not be stuck two editions behind.  I'm also gonna have to dig up my mythweavers log-in, but that shouldn't be too hard.

Just let me know sooner because I don't want to start statting up if it won't happen.

I just realized something.  The angels regularly referred to their Lord being in training.  Who out of our party is most trainee-related?  Cherish!  Al is protecting her due to his allegiance with the Last Angel/Devil/Cherub/Whatever.  She was meant to be in our party all along.  Her soul star powered the revival chamber that brought us and Slog back to life.  Al knew what to do in reviving us because of these connections.  Cherish is our true lord and ruler.  ALL HAIL THE WHITE MAGE!

Upon further reading, the Lord referred to by Spira and acknowledge by Oric on level 3 further confirms that Oric is not independent but ruled over by another.  However, it could mean that Oric is plotting to overthrow the Lord and Ciro is there to stop him, thus being a hero, thus ruining his plans.  Perhaps he wants us dead so we can't mess up his plans like we have previous cycles.  My evidence is that the mysterious figures that turned Riltia into a Willborn mentioned being in charge of a certain number of cycles, and manipulating events to ensure that Ciro can eventually kill siblings that Oric needs for his plans.  Perhaps Oric needs a certain number of siblings alive to activate his plan, and the Lord through the quest-giving angels tries to stop it.  Oric so far hasn't found his siblings in danger thanks to our diplomancy skills.  Yet the Lord or his agents took over a search bot and deactivated Proxxy's power so that we would kill them.

After reading Cain's story, Oric supposedly took over from his old masters, yet the warrens were somewhere else...  Also, Spira confirmed as Devil's sibling, which means that the devil's children survived.  But I can't put together enough evidence from before the question to relate Spira and Betweenford and their bunch with Oric.  BUT, since Oric had to come down to DL2 himself to check things out, plus the inconsistancies during our early cycle like Rillborn, Ciro Revive, Betweenford meeting, and more, I could make a case that Oric's soulstar is no longer able to control the dungeon.  Going on information dealt out after the question, I would guess that Oric plans on using a complicated order of rebirths with specific soul-stars to regain the power he lost.  Plus, with an over soul we can theoretically put him out of the picture long enough for Betweenford's new lord to take over.  Which might be a clone of Ciro.  Because why not.

I'm working my way through and I'm thinking about FFS's question 4: Why does Oric want the Target dead?  This is supposedly answerable in the first chapter and a half, specifically it was announced during the Megaman Arena Battle.

First, lets look at when Oric and Ciro meet.  This is the only known direct quotes we have from Oric.  Oric is sarcastic to Ciro, condescending to Spira, and focused on searching out the level. Spira accidentally lets his name slip, Oric is angry that he has to act like a villian the whole time, and tells Ciro not to follow him.  He stops Ciro with some sort of magic, and when Ciro asks about his origins, Oric begins with a wierd prison analogy.  People have interpreted it as meaning Oric is recreating his original prison in his warrens.  This is wrong.

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  "You know where you are going, but you don't care.  You have been trapped so long you know only the cell.  Exile is escape, Punishment is reward."  Oric is no ruler at all.  He's stuck here just the same as every joe schmoe.  Riltia says "recreate the prison", but that does not mean he is free.  She also says that she would know him if she worked for him, although as Ciro's rebirth amnesia proves it might take a major experience to reclaim those memories.  I'd relate it to a slave-era taskmaster where a slave would be given the task of making sure the others kept up the good work, thus getting hate from both sides.  The Mechanic, Eye, and Voice are on board, while the others must be potentially negative to the current order.  Spira obviously isn't able to control Oric, thus neither is Betweenford if he has a similar power level.  So why does Oric want the Target dead?  Answer: His bosses told him to.  The same reason he locked up the Rebel for mucking up his bosses' plan by killing the important pieces. 

Now, the real question is if we have to answer who/why Oric's bosses want us dead.  My first instinct is that they are the enemy of Betweenford and co., thus why we have regularly had help from them.  Perhaps they are supposed to be the angels, but their interference allowed Riltia to spawn neutral if not friendly to Ciro.  This also makes me wonder if Ciro is supposed to be the boss of DL7, and that DL8(+?) belongs to the mysterious masters that set the whole thing up.  Perhaps we are the only ones capable of taking them down by uniting the siblings.  Perhaps we are the only ones capable of Oversoul, which is why we can take on the masters.

Wait, looking at blue/betweenford, they mention taking betweenford back to the oversoul to heal.  So their boss is Oversouled.  Perhaps us going Oversoul took away power from the ruler/master of this place.  Maybe that was what allowed the Rebel to break free, and the fact that it ended early was because we voluntarily gave up our power to Riltia instead of it winding down another way. Just because it happened before doesn't mean Ciro got anywhere.  Especially with limited memory.  By telling all the other siblings to take on the target (except rebel for fear of "friendly fire"), perhaps they are trying to separate and eliminate the siblings

Note: I am posting before getting to chapter 3 so newer events may contradict my theory.

I'm back after trying and failing to destroy my own life... But enough about me:

I only updated back to version 40.01, and trimmed the dwarfing list of bay watchers who haven't been heard in this thread recently, excepting important personalities.  If you aren't on the updated list and want to be, I'm sorry, please let me know and I will add you!


Kamin: 40.01 Year 1!  The perfect start to a new iteration.  Also, Mantis Queen.
Random_Dragon: Year 2: Keas are bastards and Weregoats are dangerous.
Yoink: Finished most of Year 2: Exploding dropped babies.
AustralianWinter: Crash!
Naryar: Year 3?  Horrified Dwarves everywhere!

Scruffy: 40.03!  Leaking Magma Moat, song lyrics.
Kamin Returns! and proceeds to pull a Bobnova.
Uggi: Magma!  Magma Everwhere!
Jimmy:  Drunken Savant manages to start the fort towards recovery.

Lovechild: 40.11? Starts a new fort, 3peaks! ALso, WereGeckos
Shoruke: Year 2! Tantrum Spiral begins.
Nordinkel: Year 3 Spring to Winter: Who let the WereGeckos Out? Who?  Who who who... it was him.
Scruffy: Year 3 Winter to ?: Dangerous Caverns and  lever of doom construction
EinsteinSatDown:  Too drunk for too long to take over after Scruffy.  Good attempt though.
Yesaja:  Year 4? Pulled lever of doom, causing much mayhem.
Shoruke: Year 5? to summer:  Entomb ALL the ghosts.  Butcher ALL the animals!
Current Save is here!  It is version 40.13  Not sure if Lovechild started there or if someone managed to unpack the save into a newer update somehow.


Also, I may actually be able to take a turn sometime in the future.  Don't wait for me right now though!

Lets see, It looks like Scruffy was mostly fighting humans, the goblins had been captured previously and pitted with some zombies, which sounds like an absolutely terrible idea sober.  Still, I have to give props for that drunk designation artwork about how drunk someone was.  I don't know if that was Scruffy or a previous overseer, but it is epic.  Also, the end of that turn might be rather sparse on detail because it appears Scruffy had issues with the forum.  In otherwords, a solid turn.