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Although in many respects different there is an interesting overlap with euthanasia where similarly the state steps in and says, "no you do not have a right to do what you want with your body".  If anything it is bit more blunt since there are not the same concerns about others, however we characterise that otherness.

This is the thread you want: WorldGen Cookbook thread

Post there and someone will sort it out. 

Also, that's from July 24, nearly three months ago. How'd that play out?

Something like this

In terms of addressing the symptoms have you also tried reducing the G_FPS_CAP?  Usual advice is to set to a multiple of the FPS setting, so try 30 or even 15.

Thank fuck for data or some governments might still be pursuing herd immunity.

Quote from: feelotraveller on October 07, 2021, 09:42:37 pm

Quote from: scriver on October 07, 2021, 09:06:04 am

Quote from: feelotraveller on October 06, 2021, 10:20:13 pm

But probably an untimely excess of caution that will generate significant harm when miscontrued in anti-vaxxer circles.  So fair enough with the wtf-ing.

I'd say the opposite, are you suggesting the government should disregard higher chances of ill side effects for a part of the populace, when they have the means to avoid this higher risk by simply redistributing vaccine use to not use that one vaccine at fault on this group?

If anything, this shows that the authorities is taking possible side effects from these new vaccines seriously and is willing to change their policy as new evidence presents itself, and that they don't want to repeat the mistakes of the swine flu vaccine. This is the kind of thing that builds trust in authorities.

No I am not suggesting disregarding whatever (yet to be published) evidence that study has found.  But it is early days, it needs to be reviewed, confirmed and compared to side effects from other vaccines.  While it is admirable for the government to take it seriously they should also pay attention to the optics of their announcements.  It could have simply been said that their advice has changed and now they were not recommending that particular vaccine for young people.  (The message sent to the medical community who adminster said vaccines could have carried a stronger message than the press announcement.)

What you seem to disregard is the damage to lives that will be caused worldwide by the anti-vaccination movement taking the official ban out of context.  Something they will continue to do even if the initial results do not pan out in further/wider studies.

Yes, that huge hypothetical damage "worldwide" versus the provable damage to this subset of Scandinavian people. Clearly the Swedish institution should be more occupied by what could happen then what would happen to the people they exist to care for. The Swedish Folk Health Agency exists to care for the health of the people of Sweden, not the whole world.

Shit, if you want to talk about hypothetical damage then nothing would be as damaging to Swedish vaccine sentiments as yet another scandal where the authorities didn't care about the consequences and pushed a vaccine with bad side-effects on the people. The swine flu vaccine scandal is already justification #1 for why people who doesn't want to get vaccinated here doesn't get vaccinated.

About the bolded part: literally all the Folk Health Agency does is advice the landthings.

Arse about as always.  There is a hypothetical damage to a certain section of the Scandinavian population whereas there is a proven incidence of anti-vaxxers taking statements out of context and misintrepreting data. A number of them have already effectively killled themselves by refusing to be vaccinated and presumably taken a proportion of their listeners with them. Here's an example. No doubt there are better sources. But feel free to investigate any of the figures mentioned.  And I assure you there are many more.  As for the "proven damage" let's see that data because as far as I can tell it's not yet on the public record and is only considered, even by your own health agencies, as hypothetical and under investigation, at least for the moment.  (I mean has it even been peer-reviewed?)

Beyond that stop strawmanning, nobody is calling for them to push a vaccine with bad side effects on people, that's just your bad faith attempt to throw mud and hope that it sticks. The issue I raised isn't protecting the Swedish (and other Nordic) peoples health when being vaccinated - that is emminently reasonable and something I, along with your government and presumably everybody else here, agree with - it is taking care not to provide further fuel to the fire of the anti-vaccination movement.  That latter could have been avoided with a degree of awareness of the issues surrounding the covid pandemic, something your bodies should indeed be taking into account when releasing official public statements.  Or are you okay with someone shouting fire in a crowded cinema and damn the consequences?

Quote from: scriver on October 06, 2021, 02:21:31 pm

The Swedish Works of Healing Means announced today that they're stopping the use of the Moderna vaccine for people below age 30 because of the prevalence of consequent health issues that I've already forgotten the names of and will have to look up and edit in. [Edit] Inflammation of the heart muscle and inflammation of the heart sack [/edit]

They wanted to mark that it's not a major issue but still enpugh to be takem into account, since these people could be given the other vaccines instead.

Hold on, they stopped using the Moderna vaccine because of the article about myocarditis that turned out to be WRONG? 

No they made the decision based on a Nordic study.

But probably an untimely excess of caution that will generate significant harm when miscontrued in anti-vaxxer circles.  So fair enough with the wtf-ing.