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The UN Human Rights Council will investigate violations that may have occured during the most recent 11 day conflict; it will also look into systematic abuses and the root causes of the conflict.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/27/un-rights-council-to-investigate-crimes-during-gaza-conflict

Isreal denounced the move while Hamas welcomed it.

While it's a step in the right direction I agree with the sentiment that it does not go far enough.  The council/commission does not have the power to punish even when/if it finds guilt.  What is needed to solve the conflict is international action rather than just condemnation.  The ongoing discussion should be about what form that action will take.

Well, running the Arabic through Google translate gives:

"The strangest thing that I did today is that I exchanged my children with my brother. I took two of his children from him and gave him two of my sons. Even if I was bombed by the occupation, one of my offspring remains and if it is bombed he will remain of his offspring .."

which is more or less the same.

I think that the chilling sense of it is clear, even if the numerality gets somewhat scrambled in the translation.  (You're welcome to provide a better translation if you have the skills.  )

Well a 'good option' would have been to accept the ceasefire that Egypt brokered (and that Hamas agreed to) back on, or around, the 13th.  I'm pretty sure a couple of others like the Russians have also been refused since (on the basis that they must punish... whoever).

Basically it is just Netanyahu siezing on the/any opportunity to cling to power in an attempt to continue to avoid facing the corruption charges against him.

I've always considered uncritical acceptance of official pronouncements to constitute an expression of 'abnormal psyche'. In which case this thread has been the abnormal psyche thread from pretty much the beginning.

Arise Chileans and Other americans!

Interesting results in the election for the Chilean Constitutional Convention - the body that is tasked with rewriting the Chilean constitution.

A big win for Independents [sic?]

CNN’s local channel in Chile projected independents would win 45 seats, Chile Vamos would gain 39, the centre-left 25, the far-left 28 and a small coalition would take one seat. Seventeen seats have been reserved for the country’s indigenous communities.

On the face of it this means the governing centre-right does not have the numbers (by itself) to block changes that need 2/3 majority support.  Digging down a bit it seems that various shades of left, from centre to far, have by far the majority but more than 1/4 of the electees are 'Independent'.  Not to mention the mandated numbers for gender and indigeneouity.  Bodes for a good constitution methinks.

Anyone closer to the action willing to give a non-mainstream gloss?

Pardon me for reporting facts:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/16/more-deaths-gaza-israel-launches-most-intense-raids-yet

At least 192 people, including 58 children and 34 women, have been killed in the Gaza Strip since the latest violence began a week ago.

Israel has reported 10 dead, including two children.

Interesting figures for those trying to demonize Hamas (not that they are entirely blameless...).

If they discharge one without cause, they are subject to discipline and possible legal consequences for it.

Sure, let's hope it's the case here.

You're basically describing any type of potentially lethal self-defense training as premeditation to murder. That would never fly in court.

Good job on removing the context... again ("an uncertain circumstance of possible danger").  If it is a clear case of existent danger then self-defense applies.  Training should distinguish a vague and possible threat from a distinct and verified one. Lethal force is an extreme measure and needs suitably strong justification.


Ya know, when someone has their arms raised in the air and is being held at gunpoint I think it's fair enough to calll it 'captured'. (giggles)  Maybe you could have also bolded the 'generally'...  Besides we're only discussing premeditation because of your insistence that the cop did abolutely nothing wrong.  But to go on with citing that wikipedia page the essence of it is:

Every human being has the inherent right to life. This right shall be protected by law. No man shall be deprived of his life arbitrarily.

[The death] penalty can only be carried out pursuant to a final judgment rendered by a competent court.
— International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Articles 6.1 and 6.2

Strange that you say

No analysis of the circumstances that lead the cop to shoot.

Because that is exactly the discussion.  What was it about the kid's actions that led to the cop arbitrarily depriving them of their life?

It is indeed a tragedy, but that doesn't stop it being a gross mistake: on the part of the cop (and the judicial system) on my take; or premeditated murder on yours.

That 'It was inevitable' just returns us to Vector's unease.

Separately:

George Floyd may get posthumous pardon for Houston drug charge

(Apologies for double-post.)