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Quote from: Elephant Parade on March 13, 2024, 09:11:20 pm

I'm a bit pissed Quarque self-hammered. If he was fed up, he was well within his rights to disengage; even not making a single post for the rest of the day would've been better than denying us the chance to see who, if anyone, would hammer. Anyway, I have no idea what's going on at this point, though Tric dying makes me think that, despite what Quarque thinks, it probably isn't MS.

Why wouldn't it be Maximum Spin?

It doesn't fit very well. I haven't reread yet, but I don't recall Tric suspecting MS at all. Scum!MS could easily win by going to endgame with Tric and me.

I'm a bit pissed Quarque self-hammered. If he was fed up, he was well within his rights to disengage; even not making a single post for the rest of the day would've been better than denying us the chance to see who, if anyone, would hammer. Anyway, I have no idea what's going on at this point, though Tric dying makes me think that, despite what Quarque thinks, it probably isn't MS.

I said "fuck it, I'll trust Quarque's judgement" and hit you with Decay II. I didn't put much thought into it; all of my actions are too slow to be likely to matter in a 6-player game.

I can get behind a Quarque lynch. I still don't buy their explanation for this:

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Imp, I'm inclined to vote you when the deadline gets close. The better I read your posts, the more I start to believe you are guilty of precisely the thing that both of us accused Elephant of. I also don't like your going off on a tangent with the ability shenanigans. That's a great way to take attention away from the thing that matters.
Remember what I said once about golden mountains?

@Crystalizedmire: I can see where your imp town vibe is coming from, but ask yourself, would scum!Imp really act different from what we've seen so far?

As Imp keeps reminding us, hammers must be avoided.

I'm only half sarcastic here - due to timezones, there is not an ocean of opportunity for me left to make corrections in the remaining daytime.

There are 30 hours left in the day. That's at least a small sea. In any event, you'd only be bringing them to L-2, which isn't exactly the danger zone.

I don't recall Quarque being a hammer-paranoid player in previous games, and refusing to vote at those numbers is definite paranoia. Meanwhile, I can see why scum!Quarque would FoS here: he avoids being the second vote on town!Imp and keeps his options open for later. It doesn't seem like a particularly strong play, but it's less crazy to me than a legit hammer freakout.

EP-related stuff:

Quote from: Elephant Parade on March 13, 2024, 12:25:02 pm

I invite you to look for other places this game where I try to please people.

But among your 'seems odd, people pleasing?' comments:

(spoiler)

Quote from: Elephant Parade on March 11, 2024, 11:42:24 pm

Out of respect for your beliefs...

Quote from: Elephant Parade on March 12, 2024, 03:12:03 pm

Before Imp answered, my prediction was, "As useful as any other." I think that was borne out.

While you vote here:

Quote from: Elephant Parade on March 12, 2024, 03:30:02 pm

Pretty much everything TricMagic has posted has been egregiously silly. His logic for Quarque being the Chosen One doesn't make sense. His logic for lynching Called Shot targets doesn't make sense (a Called Shot is only somewhat stronger than a regular mafiakill, being both unblockable and untrackable, so a player being a probable Called Shot target should only be a minor factor in whether we lynch them; if we lynch a player because they're Called Shot-eligible, we're essentially doing scum's job for them). Going through with a lynch on the Chosen One makes no sense because they can self-out (in fairness, Tric might have missed that).

I know this is within Tric's meta but he could be faking it and, quite frankly, he needs to develop a better one.

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There's more samples in this game.  Your wording in generally seems unusually careful compared to previous games I've had with you.  You're second guessing yourself, you're highlighting reasons you could be wrong, you're showing TM more than one out.

Wording-wise, I see what you mean. I've been reading more lately and it's affected how I write. Content-wise, however, none of these are people-pleasing. #1:

Maximum Spin: Out of respect for your beliefs, I will not ask you an RVS question. This is a placeholder.

With the full sentence restored, I am clearly making a joke.

#2: I'm saying that CM's question was no more or less helpful than any other RVS question.

#3: This is actively abrasive. I am saying Tric's playstyle sucks and I hate it, albeit in polite terms.

I'm guessing this interrogation was this, which... speaking of softball:

How was that softball? My suspicion of Max was based on the possibility he'd made a fork play. He nailed down his position within a few minutes of me asking him to, which made me think that no, it probably wasn't a fork play.

I wouldn't be averse to more Max posts. I somehow already have a read on him or else I'd strongly want more Max posts.

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I don't understand why the second question would be pro scum since it is an alternative to the first question.

Because it would help scum understand why Max thinks I'm the Chosen One, which they could use to weigh his read, which would refine their read on me.

Unvoting and FoS-ing with intent to vote strikes me as an unusual combination when the FoSee only has one vote on them. What made you pick it over a simple unvote-and-vote?

Rereading the thread, the Quarque-CM interaction has actually been explained to Tric multiple times, which makes it even more bizarre that he thinks it's a slip. This doesn't change my read, but sorry for pestering you to explain it to him, Quarque.

Quarque:

Elephant Parade: What players here do you think are easy to read?

Sofanthiel: What's your first feeling about Crystallizedmire here?

Maximum Spin: In how many private chats are you?

Crystalizedmire: As what alignment do you inspect?

Crystalizedmire, any particular reason why you ignored the question? I noticed you were online.

Why were you so hung up on CM not immediately answering an RVS question?

Also, I completely missed your RVS question so I guess I'll answer it now: none of them.

Crystallizedmire: I really don't like these two questions:

Quote from: Maximum Spin on March 12, 2024, 05:18:19 pm

Quote from: Elephant Parade on March 12, 2024, 05:15:14 pm

MS: Do you actually think I'm the Chosen One?

I feel like I shouldn't answer this because I don't want you to get killed, but if I were scum I'd take the called shot.

Why do you think that Elephant Parade is chosen one? If you won't answer that, why do you think that stating that you think that Elephant Parade is chosen one will cause scum to believe that?

Quote from: Elephant Parade on March 12, 2024, 05:15:14 pm

You should probably explain to Tric why you questioned CM's claim of being "Town."

I thought it was pretty obvious, Town in this game is called "good". Also, sorry about thinking that sof is in this game, I haven't played any mafia games on this forum without him.

Quote from: Quarque on March 12, 2024, 05:29:22 pm

Might as well blow another post before I go to sleep.

Imp is difficult to read because the post limits put them far outside of meta.
Crystalizedmire feels just a little too slippery.
I have to think again about Elephant. At least the vote is safe from hammers here.

Why am I slippery?

Town!Max clearly doesn't want to improve scum's read on who the Chosen One is, which is why he was reluctant to answer. Both of your questions would do exactly that. Fishing for pro-scum information isn't out of character for scum!you: in FBYOR, after I said I planted a bomb on you and said I wouldn't discuss the trigger, you asked if it would go off if you performed a mafiakill.

Presuming I'm not our elim today, I'm open to discussion about who the heck I should attempt to mess up, should night happen.  I'll still pick my target(s) [which might be nobody if I stay this unsure who to target], but I really want ideas.  Also, maybe this will help, should our evil have to think about not getting messed up by me, however I can mess them up if I do target them for my form of get-wrecked, so maybe I can eat some evil resources in the process.  I presume I'm being vague enough to avoid a called shot - but if I get called, that maybe saves a more action-useful townie, so I might go further.  More importantly though, planning who, if anyone, to f-up in my own special way(s), discuss if interested.

Why crowdsource this instead of just blasting your strongest scumread? That's what I'd do in your position. I'm not sure what you expect others to contribute barring us revealing parts of our roles.

Quote from: Imp on March 13, 2024, 03:21:59 am

Qua, when convenient, maybe when you have some more people to answer/things to discuss than just answering this one question, how does MS seem so laser focused to you?  They're around 100 words posted this game, and to me, I don't see anything that doesn't look randomish/surface level.  That's totally within MS meta, and can be a show, but I don't see the lasers and guess I'm missing a lightshow.

Elephant Parade:

Quote from: Elephant Parade on March 12, 2024, 05:15:14 pm

As for who else it could be: literally anyone except me, we're three pages into the game.

Since we don't have enough info, do you have any ideas who to interrogate?

I don't like that you cropped out the part of my post immediately after that where I interrogate Max, even if I've since backed off on him. I don't know if it was on purpose, but you're essentially stripping my post of the answer to your question:

Quote from: Quarque on March 12, 2024, 05:01:39 pm

Quote from: Elephant Parade on March 12, 2024, 03:30:02 pm

I know this is within Tric's meta but he could be faking it and, quite frankly, he needs to develop a better one.

Elephant Parade, Tric faking it is not impossible but seems unlikely. Trying to educate him by voting him out won't work and unfortunately helps any other demon. Who else could it be?

It doesn't seem particularly unlikely to me. I haven't seen him fake it yet, but I've never played a game where he was scum (though there was that one scum!Tric Discord game where he indeed didn't fake it). As for who else it could be: literally anyone except me, we're three pages into the game. I don't really like MS guessing I'm the Chosen One because it seems like a strong scum move (if I am, he can go "look, my reads were good"; if I'm not, he can go "I was just generating discussion/muddying the waters for scum"). I can see how he would genuinely arrive at that conclusion, though, and I'm not going to scumread him when he's only posted twice.

I don't have an opinion on the debacle surrounding you other than that Tric is silly, which is unfortunate given that it contains most of the non-RVS content of the thread (hence my lack of real reads).

You should probably explain to Tric why you questioned CM's claim of being "Town."

MS: Do you actually think I'm the Chosen One?

I'll ask questions when I reread the thread today. I obviously don't know what I'll find, which meansI don't know exactly who I'll question. I will somewhat favor pushing people who I don't think have been adequately pushed yet, which means CM and Imp.

He's moved on, but I still think you need to explain your logic re: your initial CM push to Tric, since he thought it was some kind of slip. He might have figured it out, though.

Time to lurk then, cause you're not getting any more until day 2 Elephant. What type of reasoning is that anyway, max already knows this.

Why do you think Max isn't going to post more until Day 2? I don't think Max knows exactly why I'm townreading him, though he might have guessed.