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Woodcutting is about using saws, not making them. Making them could also be read as weaponsmithing, but Max, do you believe your saw-making skills would transfer over to, say, axe-making?

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Darkness falls across the land / the midnight hour is close at hand...

Impressive. I typed in some sad song lyrics, but it turned them around into a heartwarming thought instead:

Edit: and apparently my contribution to that coffee conversation is the start of a Trump speech:

hector13

Anyway, it’s a little rich you accuse me of arguing in bad faith when you say I didn’t tell you I thought you were lying, when it was made abundantly clear I didn’t think you were being honest. You’ve been ascribing motivations and reading between the lines of my posts all game long, and you expect me to believe you had no idea I thought you weren’t being honest? Come on, man.

No, I was expecting you to go for (or at least react to) the low-hanging fruit presented to you several times instead of outright ignoring it.

This is why you voting for me was such a problem, even with your justification for it. You say you voted for me to get me talking, even though I was already voting for you and thus very likely to continuing talking specifically to you, and you could interact with me during that.

Yes, to get you talking about the thing that would make town-you realize that there isn't a strong case to be made here.

This meant, from my perspective, you were trying to shut me down, to stop me talking about the thing I wanted to talk about by calling it scummy.

This goes against your stated philosophy on votes:

I VOTE PEOPLE TO PRESSURE THEM, I PRESSURE THEM BY MAKING MY VOTE LOOK REAL (WHICH I'M REALLY FUCKING GOOD AT APPARENTLY) BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD JUST BE BRUSHED OFF AND WOULDN'T ACHIEVE ANYTHING.

This isn't exactly how I believe it, but based on this: either it isn't how you believe it, or you have a double standard of it only being townish when you do it.

You also postulate that scum killed Starver/awsume because they felt they could get someone lynched easily. Considering I was one of the lynch candidates for D1, do you think it’s me?

If not, why, and who do you think it is? Why?

With you and me taking center stage, it's relatively easy to push the lynch against one of us while staying to the sidelines.

As for me misleading the town, I would suggest it was a mistaken town. I pointed out your hypocrisy using the example of rolefishing - intentional or otherwise - and people thought that I was more bothered by the rolefishing than hypocrisy. That was quite frustrating, actually.

I know how you feel.

Also, what’s the whole thing with RGU and the inform ability and reading him town because you would tell the person with inform to do the kill? It reads more like you’re saying you can’t be in the scum team with RGU (if RGU is scum) because he used inform.

RGU provably used a relatively useless ability on N1, and thus didn't perform the kill. From this I conclude that either the other scum has an even more useless ability, or RGU isn't in a scumteam.

PPE: you didn’t say you made your own case on you to get me to build a better case, you said you voted me to do provoke me. Again, I was already voting for you, did you not think a case would be forthcoming st some point for me to justify it? If not, why?

Because your vote was an obvious RVS vote that needed a push to get you to make it into an earnest case.

If you were trying to provoke me to make a better case with that, what had you so convinced I was scum when I continued my pressure on you by correcting you about I was concluding from the evidence?

At the moment, I wasn't convinced you were scum, so I reiterated the point you missed.

and now you say you’re scum reading me based on someone else’s meta.

Like.

Let that sink in for a second.

I am scum because someone else was scum and you ascribed the same motivation to me as them.

Can I do what you do and say “no, u” and expect you to accept that as a reasonable defense? Thanks.

"You are scum because you're using a relatively-unknown tactic that only scum has reason to use. Because most players likely won't know of it, I should demonstrate it by showing it in action in a past game."

I think a no lynch is the town’s best option now.

If I get lynched you either lose or it’s MyLo and have to no lynch tomorrow. If you lynch town just now you’re done either way.

No lynch now means 3 dead overnight, and 7 players to choose from rather than 10. I might get killed in the night too. If not, you have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum.

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"Thank you. I've worked hard to become so."
"I admit it, you are better than I am."
"Then why are you smiling?"
"Because I know something you don't know."

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Next order of business: it occured to me at some point that I really don't like the way Hector lead me into a buddying accusation on IcyTea.

IcyTea31: Is "buddying" what you were trying to do there?

My point was to note that you don't need to be looked at too closely since you're obviously town. This can be attributed to both a town leader guiding others towards better targets or scum buddying to share in the towncred. Townhunting is a lot like scumhunting: scum only needs to do it to deceive.

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And what was hector13 being purposely misleading about, again?

That his case was about the hypocrisy of rolefishing, when no rolefishing was taking place.

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You have two scum there, when we know that there are at least three (a mafia team needs two, and there is an SK). Might want to revise it.

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IcyTea: Asmoth claimed I misrepresenting him, which IIRC was a major factor in you going after Hector. Your thoughts on this post?

They say you categorized them as both "scummy" and "scummy townie" and note the discrepancy, taking it as a sign of a case not well thought out. You should respond to this and explain exactly what your intentions were.

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I tried informing hector13 and IcyTea31 of Maximum Spin's action type. And it apparently didn't work since neither received the report.

I received it. I noted this in the very post you quoted.

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It says why I, in particular, am voting for hector.

To be less vague: because his playstyle matches that of a scum player in a past game, that being a purposely misleading debate tactic that has no place in a townie mouth (barring a gambit different from the one he claims he was attempting).

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