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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 11:51:48 am »
@Sheb: Ukraine can still win this war. So far, the Russian army has not fired a single shot, despite all the "we will help you" posturing before the rebel advance began, indicating once again that Putin will not let them engage in conventional warfare, and the rebels are taking rather heavy, if proportional, losses, so it's fully possible that if things proceed as they are, Novorossiya will eventually simply run out of men.

Also, speaking of sanctions, there is a limit to how much trouble Europe is willing to go through in order to help Ukraine, and methinks we are already starting to see this limit, what with the recent refusal to grant more money to Kyiv and all.

Also, Sheb, a minor nitpick: when you bold the most important points in your message, it makes you look like you are some sort of shady internet salesman trying to sell me a snake-oil diet plan, rather that making your posts sound more convincing.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 10:08:21 am »
On the other hand, we have more use for bees than venus fly traps, so... uhm... What does that imply?
That Putin is better than Merkel, obviously.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 08:46:44 am »
Novorossiyan artillery is guided by God.
And their Chechen ally artillery is guided by Allah and his prophet Kadyrov!

Silly Darvi, Merkel doesn't sleep! She waits.
My ruler is better than your ruler! While Merkel waits, Putin works tirelessly to improve the lives of his people!
Now I want a picture of Putin as a bee and Merkel as a venus flytrap...
Putin builds housing and makes food, while Merkel just sits in one place and eats dirt!

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 08:15:58 am »
Silly Darvi, Merkel doesn't sleep! She waits.
My ruler is better than your ruler! While Merkel waits, Putin works tirelessly to improve the lives of his people!

And Sergarr's right - if kebab prevents Crimea from being Russian, then all we need to do is remove kebab!

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 07:32:17 am »
Also, Sheb, you can call me German by this point, everybody knows my name already anyway.

I don't. And your first name is Gernan?
German Olegovich Rudakov. And German is just a name, I am not German in nationality or ethnicity at all.

EDIT: It is indeed a Russian version of "Hermann."

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 06:40:01 am »
And neither do I! How about we meet in real life and have a fistfight?

It's funny that's actually possible now, but I live about 70 miles away from you in the mountains so it may be difficult.
The only reason why I am saying this is because it really is possible right now, baseless threats over the internet I consider to be below me.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 06:35:13 am »
Also, Sheb, you can call me German by this point, everybody knows my name already anyway.
I dunno - I value the distinction between 'person as Bay12er' and 'person as civilian'. No need to mmuddle the boundary.

And apparently the German government has warned against supplying Ukraine with arms - I guess that's what you get when you vote Ossis and non-centrist Social Democrats into power.
And do you, personally, support this initiative of arming Ukraine, Helgo?

As for the distinction between my real life and my internet personae, I deliberately avoid it as a way of stopping myself from becoming a GIFT.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 06:29:49 am »
Just like Irish Catholics don't "just have to deal with it" in the North of Ireland while there's still people across the world that can see something isn't right there, neither do the Crimean Tatars.
Tell that to Dwarfy. No, seriously.

I do on a regular basis. He doesn't like it.
And neither do I! How about we meet in real life and have a fistfight?

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 06:23:27 am »
Just like Irish Catholics don't "just have to deal with it" in the North of Ireland while there's still people across the world that can see something isn't right there, neither do the Crimean Tatars.
Tell that to Dwarfy. No, seriously.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 06:18:33 am »
So Knit Tie, you're basically saying that Russia nabbed Crimea because it though it could get away with it and wanted it?
And also because of irredentist arguments a-la "Crimea is Russia!"

Also, Sheb, you can call me German by this point, everybody knows my name already anyway.

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And Sevastopol currently belongs to the Crimean Tatars to the same extent to which it belongs to all other peoples living there. I'd say that's fair.

For as long as Crimea remains a part of the Russian Federation and not an independent state where Crimean Tatar language has as much official usage as Russian I don't think so. Until then Crimea is just another little Russian Ulster.
Well I guess they'll have to just deal with it, then.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 06:08:33 am »
Considering that it was founded, built, inhabited and defended in several wars by Russians, no they don't.

That's not how it works. Decolonisation didn't mean Jo'burg belonged to the Afrikaners. Arguably it did, but in an independent state of equal rights unto all ethnic groups.
And Sevastopol currently belongs to the Crimean Tatars to the same extent to which it belongs to all other peoples living there. I'd say that's fair.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 05:46:57 am »
Change that couple decades into the last two centuries. Sebastopol was the nexus of the Russian Empire's heydey of expansionism - that long forgotten period of time following the Napoleonic wars where Russia was considered the police of Europe, the hammer that was supposed to drop on any great power that got too big for its britches. Unfortunately for Russia and the Concert of Europe, the French and British decided to take the opportunity to show Russia who the real Empires were in the Crimean War, setting the stage for the first world war...
It's sad, really. It's a clearly Russian city, chock full of Russians and Russian history. But because of moronic communist land swaps (oh, how they loved to make sure ethnically unified territories didn't exist back in the USSR. It made it very hard to imagine revolt if your neighbour didn't speak your language or follow your faith) it wound up in the Ukraine, when they should have just been building a bridge.

I think the Crimean Tatars who have lived there for around 1000 years, rather than the past 200, have a rather different concept of whom Sevastopol belongs to.
Considering that it was founded, built, inhabited and defended in several wars by Russians, no they don't.

EDIT: Regarding's Ukraine's worship of Bandera being morally reprehensible or not: first, there is a difference between a medieval warlord who beheads rebels and thus follows the legal code and the general morality of the time and a 20th century warlord who ethnically cleanses civilians in clear violation of both legal and moral norms of his civilisation and second, unlike Charlemagne, and Stalin, for that matter, Bandera did absolutely nothing significant in his political career aside from starting those ethnic cleansings and occasionally collaborating with the Nazis.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 05:32:49 am »
Well, speaking of ports, Novorossiysk is/was scheduled to replace Sevastopol in 2016.
Back then nobody in Russia could've predicted that we would be able to nab the real thing, so of course there were plans for eventual replacement.
... contradicting your earlier claims of economic infeasibility. And since you can't build such a port within two years, work at Novorissiysk must be pretty far along, diminishing the real value of Crimea to Russia even further.
Come on Helgo, no need to push me on every apparent contradiction in my claims, this isn't an Ace Attorney game. Novorossiysk wasn't going to be a copy of Sevastopol, it was going to be a half-assed, inferior, cheaper, hastily assembled, poor man's copy of Sevastopol. And now they can build another civilian port there instead of trying to somehow make all the facilities big enough to house the entire Black Sea fleet.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 04:22:38 am »
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EDIT: Who wanted to talk about Russian achievements? We can now into smartphones!

The Yotaphone 2 was partly designed by Finns, so don't be disappointed if it turns out to be as crappy as Nokia's finest innovations.
And made by the same chinese guys who make blackberries and motorolas, by the way. But the reviews so far have been overwhelmingly positive.

Well, speaking of ports, Novorossiysk is/was scheduled to replace Sevastopol in 2016.
Back then nobody in Russia could've predicted that we would be able to nab the real thing, so of course there were plans for eventual replacement.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: February 02, 2015, 02:46:07 am »
It certainly wouldn't be cheap to build a new port, but compared to the cost of hosting an Olympics/financing a war ..... maybe...
The current war in Ukraine is not that costly for Russia to support, really. On the contrary, shipping supplies there boosts domestic food, medical and arms industries. War is quite a profitable thing, you know, as long as it's not your territory that the fighting is going on.

Or just keep renting it. They had a lease until what, 2045?
Yes, but the new government in Kyiv had second thoughts about that lease due to its nationalistic party line and the political situation in Ukraine in general and Crimea in particular was rapidly deteriorating - not the best environment for a strategic asset of Russia to be in, I hope you'll agree. Not to mention that the rent for the Sevastopol port has been borderline extortionist in the last few years, anyway, which is also further evidence of the fact that Yanukovich was not a puppet of Putin.

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